Descente de charges de voile en béton armé incohérentes - Descent of inconsistent reinforced concrete sail loads

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Descente de charges de voile en béton armé incohérentes - Descent of inconsistent reinforced concrete sail loads

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Bonjour

Nous remarquons une descente de charges inattendue sous voiles en béton armé modélisés en coques BA dans le cas de modélisation de planchers en diaphragme rigide. Nous avons fait un cas de charge test en chargeant uniquement une poutre appuyée sur des voiles aux extrémités. Vous trouverez ci-dessous les résultats dans le cas de modélisation de dalles de transfert de charges et dans le cas de modélisation de diaphragmes rigides.

1/ Cas de voiles coques liaisonné à des dalles de transfert de charges:

 

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We notice an unexpected load descent under reinforced concrete walls modeled in BA shells in the case of modeling floors in rigid diaphragm. We made a test load case by loading only a beam supported on walls at the ends. You will find below the results in the case of modeling load transfer slabs and in the case of modeling rigid diaphragms.

1/ Case of shell walls linked to load transfer slabs:

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2/ Cas de voiles liaisonné à des diaphragmes rigides:

 

2/ Case of sails linked to rigid diaphragms:

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Comme montré, dans ce cas  la réaction d'appuis maximale n'est pas au droit de la reprise de poutre ce qui nous parait étrange. Nous avons l'impression que le plancher en diaphragme rigide augmente la surface de diffusion de charges dans les voiles.

Pourriez vous nous dire la cause de cette différence et comment on peut la solutionner? Par ailleurs, peut-on savoir le coefficient de diffusion de charges dans les voiles modélisés en coques prise en compte par le logiciel ?

 

As shown, in this case the maximum support reaction is not at the beam recovery which seems strange to us. We have the impression that the rigid diaphragm floor increases the load diffusion surface in the walls.

Could you tell us the cause of this difference and how we can solve it? Furthermore, can we know the load diffusion coefficient in the walls modeled in shells taken into account by the software?

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Bnjour @fadi_ayadi_ing 

Difficile de vous donner un avis sur la base de copies d'écran.

Pourriez-vous partager votre modèle?

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Hard to say without the model.

Could you zip and share it?

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Bonjour,

 

Veuillez trouver ci-dessous le lien pour récupérer les modèles. Le premier modèle réalisé par planchers en dalles de ransfert de descente de charges et le deuxième est réalisé par des planchers en diaphragmes rigides. Vous allez remarquer la différence de DDC entre les deux modèles malgré introduction des charges identiques. Vous pouvez prendre comme exemple les nœuds 50 et 62.

 

Hello,

Please find below the link to retrieve the models. The first model is made by load transfer slab floors and the second is made by rigid diaphragm floors. You will notice the difference in DDC between the two models despite the introduction of identical loads. You can take nodes 50 and 62 as an example.


https://fromsmash.com/FDZHBju.bE-ct

 

En vous remerciant,

 

Thanking you,

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@fadi_ayadi_ing 

You are using 2 different calculations model

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Load distribution regions are the same

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When using same parameters you'll get almost same reactons

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Vous utilsez 2 differents modeles de calcul qui conduisent à des résultats différents.

En appliquant les mêmes parametres aux 2 modeles les réactions seront presque identiques.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Je vous remercie pour votre réponse. Malgré que les zones de distribution de charges sont les mêmes, les résultats des descentes de charges verticales sont différents. Je n'arrive pas à comprendre comment le raidissage XY du diaphragme rigide a une influence sur les réactions d'appuis sous chargement vertical. 

Merci à vous

 

Thank you for your reply. Although the load distribution areas are the same, the results of the vertical load descents are different. I can't understand how the XY stiffening of the rigid diaphragm has an influence on the support reactions under vertical loading.

Thank you

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We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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