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Section Cut Bubble masking question

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Message 1 of 15
Anonymous
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Section Cut Bubble masking question

Does Revit allow the section cut bubble to mask or wipeout objects falling
within its circle?
For example, when it happens to be placed over part of a grid line?
I cannot seem to find a setting for this.
In AutoCAD, I did this by incorporated a wipout with my bubble, so I would
not have to do a lot of post-editing/exploding. How can I do the same in
Revit?

Regards,
David Kozina
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Message 2 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous



So, no one knows of a way to accomplish this?

I have tried to edit the section callout family to include a masking region,
but there are no draworder controls once it is drawn! (So I could not send
it 'behind' the rest of the bubble geometry) When loaded into the project,
I find that the masking region therefore obliterates the 'bubble diameter
line' (though not the labels, strangely enough). Notably, when I explained
to our Revit ***reseller*** what I wished to do, he said, 'Oh, that's easy,
just sketch a masking region in the family and then draworder it 'to the
back'.' I said, 'show me, please'. He discovered, much to his chagrin,
that he could not find the draworder buttons either .

So... I tried to draw a SECOND 'bubble diameter line' AFTER drawing the
masking region, but the masking region obliterates that line, too! No
draworder respect apparently.

So... I tried to create 2 masking regions, one for the top half of the
bubble and one for the bottom half. This time, things appeared correct when
the section was cut horizontally on the plan, but when it was cut vertically
on the plan, the masking regions rotated 90 degrees (to match the section
line direction), while the bubble text remained horizontal! What's up with
that?

So... I thought perhaps I could create an additional work plane, located a
fraction of an inch BELOW the section cut bubble geometry, and place a
masking region there, but I could not find any way to do this either. A 2D
view is all I could find - even the 3D view button was grayed out!

I cannot believe this is such a difficult task.
Is there anyone that know how to do this?

Revit seems to behave not unlike Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
Some things it does quite nicely. Ingeniously, in fact...
Some things it does might be forgiven. Strange, but I'll try to get used to
it...
But OTHER things it does, though, were it a CAD drafter, I would fire its
mediocre quality a$$!

Any help would be much appreciated!

Regards,
David Kozina


"David Kozina" <"David Kozina"> wrote in message
news:6072513@discussion.autodesk.com...
Does Revit allow the section cut bubble to mask or wipeout objects falling
within its circle?
For example, when it happens to be placed over part of a grid line?
I cannot seem to find a setting for this.
In AutoCAD, I did this by incorporated a wipout with my bubble, so I would
not have to do a lot of post-editing/exploding. How can I do the same in
Revit?

Regards,
David Kozina
Message 3 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I was able to achieve the same results as you with the upper and lower mask region in the section bubble family. It you tag the line that goes across the section bubble, there is a box in the parameters that says "rotate with section". If I can figure out a way to apply that same parameter to the mask region, it will give the results we are looking for. Let me know if you figure a way to add that parameter.
Message 4 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Here is what some of the guys on the AUGI forum have come up with:


Create your filled region (Entire circle)
Please use the name "Opaque" for the hatch/fill names
set the "Opaque" hatch pattern to aligned with object- parallel lines- and spacing 10'-0".
Set the fill as opaque(Now you have a basic line-less hatch pattern)

Jwilliams: I guess you could just use the masking region also

To create the bar- here's the trick

Create a Note Text Type called "Under bar"
Set the height to 1/64"
Set the scale width to 0.25

Create a line of text that is all "______" under bars-
This line should go from one edge of the circle to the other.

Because text remains aligned- the "under bar" remains aligned.

Get it 'close enough' so that the edges barely lap. It takes some tweaking but once it is done- works fine!

You can change the thickness of the under bar by changing the height of the font (Effectively giving a "Scaled-up" under bar). The smaller the width- the more control you have over the bar size-

Be warned- it cannot be exact- text floats for some reason... and doesn't align the same in the model/plan/etc as it does the family editor.

Thanks to Aphelion
Message 5 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Got it... and it works!
Excellent! Thank you VERY much for this tip!

Best regards,
David Kozina


wrote in message
news:6121936@discussion.autodesk.com...
Here is what some of the guys on the AUGI forum have come up with:
Create your filled region (Entire circle) Please use the name "Opaque" for
the hatch/fill names set the "Opaque" hatch pattern to aligned with object-
parallel lines- and spacing 10'-0". Set the fill as opaque(Now you have a
basic line-less hatch pattern) Jwilliams: I guess you could just use the
masking region also
To create the bar- here's the trick Create a Note
Text Type called "Under bar" Set the height to 1/64" Set the scale width to
0.25 Create a line of text that is all "______" under bars- This line should
go from one edge of the circle to the other. Because text remains aligned-
the "under bar" remains aligned. Get it 'close enough' so that the edges
barely lap. It takes some tweaking but once it is done- works fine! You can
change the thickness of the under bar by changing the height of the font
(Effectively giving a "Scaled-up" under bar). The smaller the width- the
more control you have over the bar size- Be warned- it cannot be exact- text
floats for some reason... and doesn't align the same in the model/plan/etc
as it does the family editor. Thanks to Aphelion
Message 6 of 15
ebrown3876
in reply to: Anonymous

Revit 2017 has a problem with this.   We have been using the masking region in our section cuts with the floating text for a horizontal line since RST 2012.  Now that we are using 2017 this no longer works...  Does anyone have a fix. 

BIM Consultant / Sr. Structural BIM Designer
Certified AutoCAD & Revit Professional
Lochsa Engineering
Las Vegas,
Nevada
Structural-Civil-Traffic Survey-BIM-Flood Control-Project Management
Message 7 of 15
BIM.Consultant
in reply to: ebrown3876

Check the 2 attached families. I don't have Revit 2017 to test them. Let me know if any of them solve your problem.

Message 8 of 15
DParkRMAK
in reply to: Anonymous

I haven't read through all the comments but what I do is I add a solid hatch set to color 255 behind my callout blocks.

Message 9 of 15
ebrown3876
in reply to: BIM.Consultant

Good afternoon.  After downloading your attached files I found that your families are just like mine.   When loaded into a project the floating horizontal line gets hidden when you save, exit and get back into the project file.  I wish that the 2017 family editor had a drawing/element order.  I would send the masking to the back and the line created from text to the front.  Thank you for your help.  if you find a solution please let me know.

BIM Consultant / Sr. Structural BIM Designer
Certified AutoCAD & Revit Professional
Lochsa Engineering
Las Vegas,
Nevada
Structural-Civil-Traffic Survey-BIM-Flood Control-Project Management
Message 10 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: ebrown3876

The trick with text to create a line doesn't work on revit 2017. Can someone please post an update if there is a way around this?

Message 11 of 15
bosborne
in reply to: Anonymous

 

Attached are is my Section tag.  It works.  

 

That said - the fact that we still have to do this instead of being able to set a masking region behind the rest of the section bubble is dumbfounding.  

Message 12 of 15
jc8000
in reply to: bosborne

seriously.

Message 13 of 15
Anonymous
in reply to: BIM.Consultant

These worked! Thank you!! 

Message 14 of 15
ebrown3876
in reply to: Anonymous

I am finally uploading a fix for this problem, even after a few years....  oops.  I found that embedding a text family within the main family worked.  All we now do is drag and drop these into an existing project that needs updating for our section cuts or callouts and it works.  Hope this helps someone in the future.  

BIM Consultant / Sr. Structural BIM Designer
Certified AutoCAD & Revit Professional
Lochsa Engineering
Las Vegas,
Nevada
Structural-Civil-Traffic Survey-BIM-Flood Control-Project Management
Message 15 of 15
bosborne
in reply to: ebrown3876

This is the same fix I use, but it is dumb. All it really needs is a circle masking region "sent to back" and a line "brought to front" but that does not work. Also note that the text fix messes (using Arial) for some reason messes up on all of our Windows 10 machines..

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