how to make traditional joisting framing tag in revit 2016?

[gideon]

hi,

can any body help by improving the structural framing tag family attached.. one screen shot attached shows my revit beam system with revit 2016 structural framing tag, but the way it is tagged is quite different from the traditional framing tag for joists.

the revit tag shows the joists extent lines, and the joist span is shown by the actual joists themselves in revit.

but my engineer wants me to hide the actual joist in revit (which i know how to do) and shows only the joist label (or tag) in the traditional way (screen shot of traditional joist framing label attached).

any idea on how to make this special structural framing family showing the joist span symbol in traditional way?

thanks, gideon

[gevanKGYB4]

Since you are using Revit 2016, I don't think anyone would be able to help you editting the family tag.

What I would do if I were you is to edit the OOTB structural framing tag. Just add the 3 lines you have on the tag you have onto the OOTB tag. I think you know how to edit the labels for the tag. Create a couple different ones with various line length. Wood joists do not span that long so 2 or 3 different tags would be sufficient. Then tag a single joist at the middle of the joists system.

Although, it seems to me what you want to make is a symbol not tag.

[gideon]

what version of revit can make traditional type joist framing tag or label?

[gevanKGYB4]

You can make the tag with any Revit versions. What I meant was that it would be hard to edit your tag and send it back to you since Revit 2016 version is an old version that most people do not use anymore. If I edit your tag with a version above 2016, then you won't be able to use it because Revit does not allow the upgraded files to be reverted back to an older version. So I can only tell you what to do since I don't have 2016 version.

[Thomas.S.Teichmann]

Open the beam system tag family. It will look like this

It consists of 3 parts (nobody knows why), 2 labels (Beam Type, Spacing) and text (@). I recommend to delete the text.

Select the Beam Type label and click on edit, either

or

Select "Beam Type" by clicking on it, then remove it by clicking the red arrow.

Then click on "Beam Type (No Family Name)" on the left and then on the green arrow

then close the popup by clicking OK.

Now click on the "Spacing" label and then on edit. Select "Centerline Spacing" by clicking on it. Type a "@ " in the prefix column, then click on the hand with the #.

After unchecking "Use project settings" you can choose the format that you like

Close the dialog, close the edit dialog. Move the "@ Spacing" where you want it". Make sure that the horizontal align for both labels is set correctly.

Save the family under a new name and load it into your project.

[Thomas.S.Teichmann]

The spacing that Revit shows is always the actual spacing, i.e. if you specify a maximum distance of 16" and the beams are spaced at 13 7/8" then it will show exactly that and not "max. 16"

[gideon]

i do have revit 2020 now,  please kindly send me the family for joist framing tag in revit 2020.

if you can, please help.

[Thomas.S.Teichmann]

Check it out.

[gideon]

my friend, the family looks good.

but your family only show the arrows for the extent of the joists .

the arrows for the joist shown in attached drawing actually shows the length of the joist.

please kindly send me another family which can do my job.

thanks!

[gevanKGYB4]

I am sorry I think was wrong. I think the beam system tag will not be able to achieve what you want. As far as I know, the beam system tag does not allow you to go parallel with the direction of the joists. You may want to use the structural framing tag instead. Show one middle beam from the beam system, then tag that beam with a structural framing tag. The structural framing tag will not read the beam system spacing that host the middle beam so you may have to use the comment or mark to show the beam system spacing manually.

[gideon]

my friend ,

is there any way to use the structural framing tag to show the length of
the joist in revit 2016? or it must be at least revit 2017? if it must be
revit 2017 or later, can you show me the way on doing it or send me the
structural framing tag to do it.

thanks!

[Thomas.S.Teichmann]

Structural framing tags can include the "Cut Length"

[gideon]

can it only be done in revit 2017? not revit 2016?

[Thomas.S.Teichmann]

Frankly speaking, I do not remember. I do not have anything older than Revit 2019 installed.

You can open a structural framing tag family, then edit the label and check the available parameters.

[gevanKGYB4]

The example you showed does not look like you want to have the length of the joists being called out. If you do want to show the approximate length of the joists in numbers, then you could add what @Thomas.S.Teichmann showed in his answer to you in your label.

Again, Revit does not have the capability for backward compatibility, meaning that older version cannot open a file created from a newer version. For that reason, you may want to consult with your team first before moving to a newer version of Revit, since other team member won't be able to open the file you worked on or saved.

[EdwinG]

Simply rotate your Structural Beam System tag by 90 degree

[gideon]

sorry my friend. but the beam system tag line only covered the extent of
the joists

i want another line showing the length of the joists.

[EdwinG]

are you sure!!