How to get analytical model of structure frames created as families?

[waqar.a.khan2VL2H]

Hello..

I have several mounts and supporting structures created as families (Structural Framing Category or some other category. How do I convert these families to analytical model? Right now I am unable to see the analytical model for these inserted families.

[mphungDCHNW]

Check to see if your VG properties are all turned on

[waqar.a.khan2VL2H]

All of them are checked. Still no analytical model.

[mphungDCHNW]

Analytical lines types are only available for model in place families.

So either to recreate your family as a model in place or create a model in place family for the analytical lines only. or even make a model in place and load your family to it and add the analytical lines.

[waqar.a.khan2VL2H]

I can not recreate 100s of models so Is there any other method to get analytical model for these files. They are of the category "Structural framing family" .. Is there no method to get analytical model for models created as families?

[ToanDN]

Create the assembly directly in the project using structural frames/ columns, and group it.  Or create it in a separate project model and link it in.

[catalin_lang]

@waqar.a.khan2VL2H 

It's possible only with Revit 2023. 

In Revit versions prior to 2023, you can have the analytical representation only for specific structural elements. For beams and columns they need to be created from the default family templates. Having the category set to a structural thing it's not enough.

Also, as mentioned in a previous reply, you can add analytical lines from the in-place family, but I would not recommend this workflow, as those specific elements are mostly lines. They don't have nodes attached.

With Revit 2023 you can create analytical elements for anything + there's an automation tool that might help you. 

[waqar.a.khan2VL2H]

@catalin_lang .. Thanks for your response.

I have downloaded Rvt 2023 .. How can I see the analytical model of my family. Still unable to see the analytical model of a Structural Framing Family (Created as extrusions)

[waqar.a.khan2VL2H]

@catalin_lang Can you please answer if this is possible with Rvt 2023?

[catalin_lang]

Hi @waqar.a.khan2VL2H ,

With Revit 2023 the analytical elements are no longer created automatically. 

You can create members and panels from the Analyze tab, manually, or you can use the Analytical Automation (from the same tab). 

For your case, I would say that the analytical automation is not covering those cases. If it doesn't, try model the analytical representation manually.

[RPTHOMAS108]

One thing you could try in 2023:

Edit the structural framing families loaded in the complex to add a model line to the top plane. Locked to Left & Right extents and Centre Front/Back.

Make sure there are no other model line elements in the family

Run dynamo script similar to below where Family2:Family2 is the complex family loaded into the project:

Alternatively if you make the structural framing family in the complex shared then you can do something of this nature below. This graph uses the location curves of the nested structural framing and sets the 'Section Type' of the analytical member to match the size of the nested physical member.