Column reinforcement when inside a wall

[semi]

Hi,

I have this issue whenever I have a column that has the exact same height and width of the wall it is in, it won't make the reinforcements of the column itself but rather use the constraints of the wall instead.

The wall has to be structural as it is bearing and this is the reason Revit sees it as a possible way to reinforce this as well.

As long as the column is a little thicker or higher than the wall all is fine, but as soon as it has the exact same height and width the problem pops up. 

Making stirrups this way is extremely annoying. Let alone if 2 beams join in on top of this column. Then I have no control over the reinforcements at all.

Anyone knows a workaround? 

Placing the column next to wall - reinforce - back into the wall is no option.

[Jamhmer_Oc]

Hi @semi 

Temporarily hide the other items. This procedure will not take long.

[semi]

@Jamhmer_Oc nope, doesn't work, tried that many times before

[Nurlan-A.]

Hi,

Try to unjoin the wall, hover over the column, and press Tab.

[semi]

Everything works fine whenever I put a single column and reinforce it, but as soon as I join the column to any wall with the same height and thickness and whether I Unjoin or even delete the wall afterwards, the column loses it's capability to reinforce....

Could anyone try this out?

Place a column 14x30 280H then make a wall 14x280 and join them, then unjoin them or even delete the wall and then try to reinforce the column.

[Nurlan-A.]

I tried to reproduce but everything works. Revit 2020.2.4

[semi]

Not working here mate,

not even in a standard revit template.

You are using rebar shape 51? and looking on top view?

[Nurlan-A.]

Maybe it's a placement problem. 

In the plan view click the Rebar button and set:

Placement Plane = Far Cover Reference

Placement Orientation = Parallel to Work Plane

[semi]

this is the file, can you try to place a stirrup shape 51 in top view in this column?

[semi]

Another problem I'm facing as well is this:

(btw this column is modelled BEFORE joining with the wall so placing stirrups works but it's not being constrained with the column)

This is very annoying

[semi]

Isolated column:

same problem

[Nurlan-A.]

Yes, the column has become buggy, it sometimes happens, in this case, you need to cut it and paste aligned in the same place.

[semi]

every floor of a general project we do has around 50 such columns, they are all modelled this way, joined to walls as it is in real life. So this is just messy and not the solution, autodesk needs to fix this...

[Nurlan-A.]

We use the rebar groups and pre-reinforced generic families (we call them rebar containers) to manually propagate the reinforcement.

[semi]

Can u give me an example? I'm not familiar with that

[Nurlan-A.]

Reinforce one column, select all the rebars and create a group, copy this group into the columns that should have such reinforcement.

[semi]

Oh you mean a simple copy, yes we have tools for that, but not every column is the exact same dimension, we even have a lot of L-shaped ,T-shaped columns and even some inclined in a concrete wall. 

[Jamhmer_Oc]

@semi 

Most likely it is a bug in your software, try updating. 

[semi · Accepted solution]

When upgraded to Revit 2021 it got solved indeed.

So it's bugged in v2020