Tag vs keynote with instance parameter

[jeffreyFEBQE]

Good afternoon,

I was wondering if there is any tagging function within Revit using (auto) numbers instead of a description, because when i use tag function my drawings are unclear with all those descriptions.

Up till now i used the keynote function as showed in picture but some of my fittings became instance families now and i can't use the keynote with instance parameter.

I tried "mark" already but then the number is fixed, so that is not an option.

Does anyone have any other ideas?

[ToanDN]

Edit the tag family, edit the label and change the parameter to type mark or mark instead of description.

[jeffreyFEBQE]

Thanks for the quick reply, but when i use mark i need to number every fitting manually and identical fittings can't have the same mark.

[iainsavage]

Download DiRoots One and use the renumber tool in that.

[ToanDN]

Then use type mark.

[jeffreyFEBQE]

Both Marks not working properly, because with multiple installation drawings the numbers doesn't make sense anymore when they not following up. The type mark isn't working because the number is the same even the diameter differs of that family. For example: elbow 90 degr. 90mm is same as elbow 90 degr. 63mm.

Is it somehow possible to convert an instance parameter to a type parameter to use for the keynote and model parameter within an instance driven family.

[HVAC-Novice]

Do you really need to tag all that? This looks more like a detail. I think the contractor knows a 90° is a 90° and not a Tee. 

If you really want to tag it all, create a schedule and use type mark, or create new shared parameter (that will be in the tag, the family, and the schedule). 

Keynotes or any other manual way of tagging and listing isn't automatic. it creates more work and can lead to errors. Schedules will be more automatic.  

[jeffreyFEBQE]

Yes it is a detail, unfortunatly sometimes we need to if we hire local labour. Off course they know the difference between tee or elbow but the material can be different.
I use Revit for all our inground piping within greenhouses so it's a bit different as is suposed to be used, because we are the engineer and contractor.

Thanks for the effort

[HVAC-Novice]

In your example, you could just assign material to the piping and tag it. I assume the pipe and all fittings all will be the same material, so you really only need to tag one piece in a circuit (e.g. schedule 80 steel, or copper L or whatever you want). If it is a Tee, they see, no need to tag. They won't know the pressure rating (from your example), but need to know "schedule 120 galvanized" if this is what you want them to use. But that will apply to all fittings and straight pipe pieces. you really only need to say once what material it is. 

Before applying lot of Revit-woodoo I would try to simplify it to the basics that really are needed and no redundancies.  Fewer tags also will it make more likely for contractor to read. Once they see your tag for a 90 will say it is a 90, they will stop reading.