Peak Demand Flow - Non-Fixture Unit tabulation

Peak Demand Flow - Non-Fixture Unit tabulation

RLY_15
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Peak Demand Flow - Non-Fixture Unit tabulation

RLY_15
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In a standard office project, we normally take the Plumbing Fixture Unit schedule (containing fixture units per type and total count of all units), sum the fixture units of all the fixtures, get the % of grand total of each, divide the fixture units by the % to push the total fixture rate back into each instance, and then curve-approximate to different parts of Hunter's curve to push out a demand GPM that's usually within 10% of the charted amount.

 

The end result is a tiny little table for designers to check the incoming line size for velocity (yes the code cycle is not updated):

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Where it stops being a clean fit is if we have to incorporate fixtures that have listed flow rates that do not conform to the fixture unit designation outlined by the local code. For instance, commercial kitchen fixtures with defined flow rates, hose stations in production warehouses, hose bibbs using the IAPMO fixed flow rate, etc... these are normally manually added onto our calculations after the fact as a lump sum. This unfortunately means that the 'final' value used to calculate pressure is inputted by hand after a hybrid automatic/manual workflow, which means someone will eventually forget to do the manual part and create a complication.

 

So, I'm trying to incorporate the lump sum values in to the same table that does the fixture unit calculation.

If I attempt to sum and push the non-FU flow rates into each plumbing fixture in the same manner, we start getting divide-by-zero issues all over the place due to the Flow/% formula, which breaks the subsequent total flow and pipe size values. This is the same table, with columns expanded.

 

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All of this can be avoided if I simply do the summations in Dynamo and push the summations back to the equipment via Dynamo script. But before I add another script to the pile, is there another option via Revit tables that I'm overlooking?

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iainsavage
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@RLY_15 for plumbing fixtures the connector flow configuration can be set to Fixture Unit or Preset.

If you use Preset then it applies a fixed flow rate. 

Does that not do what you need?

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RLY_15
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For pipe networking/sizing purposes defining the flow should work, but this isn't for that.

 

The purpose here is to (hopefully before piping is even established) define based on fixture count/type the building supply demand, so that can be pushed out to designers for pumphouse sizing, pipe main sizing, and the AHJ for design verification.

 

We have the fixture schedule set up to accumulate the fixture units. We have a manual step to add in non-standard fixtures with set flow rates. This was intended to be an effort to remove the manual step and have an output that displayed both components and produced a flow and pipe size for verification.

 

We can do the same thing with a fully connected pipe network and tagging the main service pipe upstream of all fixtures, but that requires, well, a fully connected pipe network.

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iainsavage
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@RLY_15  wrote:

The purpose here is to (hopefully before piping is even established) define based on fixture count/type the building supply demand

 

We have the fixture schedule set up to accumulate the fixture units. We have a manual step to add in non-standard fixtures with set flow rates. 


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Is this not what you want?

Then convert FUs to a diversified flow and add the fixed flow to get overall total?

That's how I've been doing it for 40 years and long before Revit.

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