Lose graphic phase overrides below cut plane

[J.Wehmer]

A team member came to me this morning with an issue I have never encountered before;

When elements are below the cut plane, still above the view depth.. the phase overrides are lost on the elements in the in-between area. We want the <beyond> linetype to show as proper in the area below the cut plane, above the view depth. all of the elements shown in the image are set to 'Existing'

Is there a way/setting to show the phase overrides and still get the <beyond> linetype? This can be solved with filters VERY quickly...but that's not BIM, and i do not want to teach my team to throw filters at every issue that Revit has.

[ToanDN]

Extend the Bottom of the View Range farther?

[michael.coviello]

Hello @J.Wehmer 

Thank you for posting to the forum.    Are these ducts demolished in this particular view?

I understand the ducts were created in the existing phase,  Are they demolished in a later phase?

Can you upload a small model to the forum to help better understand the problem.

[J.Wehmer]

If we extend the Bottom further, we lose the linetype applied for <Beyond>

[J.Wehmer]

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@michael.coviello wrote:

Hello @J.Wehmer 

Thank you for posting to the forum.    Are these ducts demolished in this particular view?

I understand the ducts were created in the existing phase,  Are they demolished in a later phase?

Can you upload a small model to the forum to help better understand the problem.

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• No the pipes are set to 'Existing'
• No they are not demo'ed in any phase
• I cannot upload a model, but i can upload more images to better show the issue

[J.Wehmer]

Plan View & View Range dialog box

Section view with view ranges graphically shown

Phase Override settings

3D view of pipes

[dmiller_SCE · Accepted solution]

The beyond line style will trump the graphic override of the phases in your scenario. Phasing graphic overrides will only have an effect if the elements fall within the primary view range. I would suggest not using the beyond line style override by setting your Bottom and View depth to the same value and control the line style in a different method.

[michael.coviello · Accepted solution]

Hello @J.Wehmer ,   Thank you for the screenshots,   I was able to reproduce this condition in Revit when the element is below the bottom of the Primary Range.

This article highlights how phase overrides and view range (+ other options) take precedence for element visibility.

Element Visibility Override Hierarchy

Please let us know if this or any other post(s) solve your issue or answers your question.

Please hit the Accept as Solution.

[J.Wehmer]

Well that sucks, that’s not very BIM 😞

[J.Wehmer]

That is not helpful for us maintaining phasing and utilizing Revit to create consistent documentation. Perhaps Revit developers should rethink some of the order of operations that is used in the graphic override structure and possibly move phasing up a few notches.

Because in our case the piping is set to ‘Existing’ precisely the way that Revit wants us to...but it still won’t display properly because it is below the cut plane <—-which is exactly how Revit wants to apply the <Beyond> line types for us automatically 

[michael.coviello]

Hello @J.Wehmer 

I understand the frustration and how this affects your workflow; I recommend you to visit the Revit Idea Station to let us know about this request.

I found a related Idea posted which is marked as "Gathering Support"

Phase Visibility Control via View Filters - autodesk

I urge you to vote and comment,  Please mention the business impact that this missing functionality has as it can increase the chances of the functionality being integrated in the future.

You can also vote on ideas others have posted, so be sure to let us know if an idea you see there is important to you.

[RobDraw]

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@J.Wehmer wrote:

Well that sucks, that’s not very BIM 😞

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I'm sorry but graphics and BIM are very separate things.

I think we can all agree that Revit's graphic capabilities are hard to deal with from a drafting point of view. Some of the global settings are extremely hard to deal with because they are high in the hierarchy and are short in the option department. Most of rely on flexibility for good documentation and filters offer the most flexibility.

Don't let the global settings hierarchy get in your way. Take control with the tool for the job, filters.

[Lev97]

We were having the same problem.....We sent a memo out to all of our Arch's. "Please Do Not Use Phasing, Any Phasing"!. Imagine (5) years for now looking at a 2017 revit model with phasing.......🤢.   

[J.Wehmer]

IMO that is a terrible solution to a minor inconvenience

+95% of the time phasing works great, removing such a powerful built-in tool for the -5% of projects is not a call I would have made.