How to identify a screw or nut in a BIM object ?

stephenchengBZECT
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How to identify a screw or nut in a BIM object ?

stephenchengBZECT
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Dear Sir/Madam,

 

I am working for an E&M contractor for construction industry in Hong Kong.

 

Recently, I got the assignment from management to understand the BIM process because BIM process has gradually been becoming a core demand in the construction industry.

 

I am helping company to explore the BIM usage and one of the stuff that I just came across is that for those small components like screw and nut. Do they have the BIM object name under BIM naming convention  llike Category and Sub-category ? If yes, what are they ? If not, does it mean that we can just use the classification under OmniClass to specify such small components in a BIM assembly.

 

Thanks for precious comment in advance !!!

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HVAC-Novice
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For building design (like done in Revit) we usually don't design to the detail of nuts and bolts. that detail is left to the manufacturer details, or separate 2D details. Or an annotation in a view. but nuts and bolts etc. typically aren't smart BIM object (like to place them and schedule etc.).

 

But no one stops yo from doing it. There are 2 million Revit users (according to AI anyway) and everyone does it differently.

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philsogood
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hi,

definitely agree with @HVAC-Novice (who doesn't seem so novice as that)

bolt, nut and all this ***** are USELESS

working with Solidworks drafters on some prjects, they are so proud of their work but main  part of is is useless for the building.... who care of the place of a botl in a 100x100m building ? the thing for cable gland and wires, small flexibles...

it only makes the projects heavy.... so heavy.... one of the WSW drafter i met was to proud to create a 6Go NWD file just for its design....

Phil

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stephenchengBZECT
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Thanks for the comment !!!



I agreed that at the building level, those tiny stuff like bolt and nut would not deserve to present in details.



But on the other hand, the mechanical strength of bolt and nut could contribute to the integrity of some MEP equipment that the quality of such bolt and nut might cause safety issue.



If the bolt and nut even do not present as generic BIM object in a Revit model, then how could the building project team members know where these stuff are located in the MEP equipment and then point to them to know their detail in order to understand their quality in terms of mechanical strength for safety.



Provide my above assumption is correct, then there seems to be some commonly recognized item abbreviations for bolt and nut so when someone wants to review the overall MEP equipment revit model then he know which is nut and bolt and look into them.


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RSomppi
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@philsogood wrote:

bolt, nut and all this ***** are USELESS


Maybe for you and many others doing design work but without them, your systems would all end up on the floor. I'm on the construction side and we do fabrication. We need to account for these things somehow. The models of them are a bit of overkill, IMHO. Though they do make for a clear picture of what things look like which is good for the guys in the shop making them. We are going to get away from graphically, though, and account for them in other ways.

 

My point is that the blanket statement saying they are "USELESS" is not correct. They are useless to you but others using the program in a different way than you do, NEED to account for them.

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I'm not a structural engineer. But Revit has some structural calculation capabilities. How good or detailed that is, I don't know. I suspect it is more general load, not to the last nut and bolt and weld.

 

Most structural engineers use different methods and software for such details like what size of bolt to use. MEP engineers or architects don't really do that and rely on the structural design. To me it only matters that there is a beam of a specific size and I need to route my duct around it. I rely on the structural engineer having determined why that beam is that size and what bolts or welds to use. Not relevant to my design. 

 

A BIM model is a simplification. For example, if we place a suspended ceiling, this is just a 1" thick ceiling. we don't model all the tiles, runners, hangers. Or if we place a stud wall, we don't model each stud. OR we don't place each wire in a building. If we modelled to that detail, design would cost more than actual construction. and we would need much more powerful computers. Much more powerful. 

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@stephenchengBZECT 

 

See reply in red below

 

 

@stephenchengBZECT wrote:

I agreed that at the building level, those tiny stuff like bolt and nut would not deserve to present in details.

 

[RDAOU] Detail levels in BIM and fabrication models are two different worlds. While fabrication requires detailing components down to the tiniest thread, in BIM it may neither be necessary nor required to model the geometry of such components, even in an LOD 400+ model. This is especially true for bolts and small parts in plants and equipment.


But on the other hand, the mechanical strength of bolt and nut could contribute to the integrity of some MEP equipment that the quality of such bolt and nut might cause safety issue.

If the bolt and nut even do not present as generic BIM object in a Revit model, then how could the building project team members know where these stuff are located in the MEP equipment and then point to them to know their detail in order to understand their quality in terms of mechanical strength for safety.

[RDAOU] When producing fabrication models is not a requirement, such components are handled on a case by case bases to provide sufficant information to other parties who will be carrying out the fabrication/manufacturing order. Hence, in addition to detail components and callouts, 

  • some include them in parameters/data sets
  • other use tools & plugin similar to
    1. Sec Editor in Plant 3D,
    2. BUILD Specification which was recently added to the cloud services
    3. other 3rd party plugins and/or applications such as e-SPEC or SPECLink for RIB itwo 

Provide my above assumption is correct, then there seems to be some commonly recognized item abbreviations for bolt and nut so when someone wants to review the overall MEP equipment revit model then he know which is nut and bolt and look into them.

[RDAOU] If the screws, bolts, nuts, or other small parts you are referring to are those of the structural platforms/decks hosting plant equipment and/or other components supplementing mechanical installations, these are mostly modeled as structural components. These components can be detailed further using the tools under the Steel tab. Among these tools are fabrication elements such as bolts and welds. You can define the type of bolts, grade, assembly, location, type of holes, etc. These are schedulable 3D components with an acceptable graphic representation. While not as detailed as they would be if modeled in Fusion or SolidWorks, they are sufficient with the defined parameters to issue a fabrication order to a manufacturer or subcontractor.

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stephenchengBZECT
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Thanks for your valuable comment !!!


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RSomppi
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You're welcome.

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