default display settings

[julielfifield]

I understand that the ceilings can never show in a floor plan because of the default settings of the floor plan, which can not be overwriiten by using VG overrides. The problem I have when trying to explain this to someone else, is that there is a check in front of ceilings in the VG overrides dialog box of the floor plan, so logically the ceiling's visiblity should be turned on. Is there anywhere that explains exactly how the VG of various views are setup in the program so I can tell which items are locked in & do not repond to VG overdrides?

[L.Maas]

Maybe I misunderstand you. Why should you not be able to show a ceiling in a floor plan?

With some view range settings it is very well possbile to show a ceiling in your floor plan

[julielfifield]

It shows in the ceiling floor plan, but not in just a floor plan.
I started with the basic mechanical template, level 1 floor plan. I drew 4
walls & a ceiling at 8'-0". I placed 3 grilles, 1 @ 7'-0", 1 @ 8'-0: & 1 @
8'-6".
In the ceiling floor plan, 2 of the 3 grilles & the ceiling grid are
visible as expected.
In the floor plan all 3 grilles appear, which tells me the ceiling should
be within the view range. but the ceiling grid is not visible. in VG
overrides, the ceiling is checked as visible. I thought the reason the
ceiling grid does not show in the floor plan was because there are settings
controlling objects in view types that are built in to the program that can
not be edited (i.e. grid lines or levels do not show in 3D views). Is this
not true? If it is true, is there somewhere to find out exactly what
settings are built into the program for the different view types that can
not be changed?

[L.Maas]

I have looked at it, but can not reproduce your issues. Is it possible to send the project?

(remove irrelevant things to get it to a small size).

Then I can have a look at it and see what is going on.

If the file is too large use dropbox or wetransfer (or similar) and post the link.

[julielfifield]

this is a small file

thanks for your help

[L.Maas · Accepted solution]

Ok, I had a look at it. Few things. It is a combination of factors.

-When I opened the floor plan the cut plane in the view range was at 4', well below the ceiling.

-You view discipline was set as mechanical. In this case Revits has some fixed overrrides. Basically lot of the non-mechanical components are half-tone or transparent. HERE on knowledge autodesk a descripiton of what Revit does with view disipline settings.

-The top layer material of your ceiling material did not have a surface pattern. As Revit treats this category as transparent in the mechanical view discipline it appears if it is not there..

Depending on your needs you will have play with these settings

-Architectural or coordination instead of mechanical discipline.

-View Range above ceiling.

-Material to make ceiling visible.

In above floor plan screenshot, still in Mechanical discipline, added surface pattern to the top layer ceiling material and set view range above ceiling.

All three diffusers are still visible, because mechanical view discipline makes the ceiling transparent (but visible due to added pattern).

[chrisplyler]

"In the floor plan all 3 grilles appear, which tells me the ceiling should
be within the view range."

Nope. The text below is quoted from the Autodesk Knowledge Network...

 

Mechanical, Electrical, and Plumbing Disciplines

When the Discipline property is set to Mechanical, Electrical, or Plumbing:

• Elements from the mechanical, electrical, and piping categories display in the view according to their settings in Object Styles.
• Ceiling elements do not display in plan views.
• All other categories display using halftone. To select these halftone elements, you cannot use a selection box. Instead, select each halftone element individually.
• In floor plan views and callout views, most mechanical, electrical, and piping elements within the view range are drawn on top of other elements regardless of whether the cut plane intersects them. Plumbing fixtures, however, do not overlay other elements in this way.
• Plan views display view tags only for callouts, sections, and elevations with matching disciplines.
• Hidden lines for elements are controlled as follows:
  • For mechanical, electrical, and piping elements, hidden lines display in the view based on the Show Hidden Lines view property and additional settings on the Hidden Line pane of the Mechanical Settings dialog and the Electrical Settings dialog.
  • For elements of all other categories, hidden lines do not display. For these elements, the ribbon disables the Show Hidden Lines and Remove Hidden Lines tools.
• Inside Gap and Outside Gap (halo) settings for mechanical, electrical, and piping elements are defined using the Hidden Line pane of the Mechanical Settings dialog and the Electrical Settings dialog.

[julielfifield]

thank you

[julielfifield]

 One last thing, I am having difficulty creating the ceiling, could you possibly repost the file, so I can see what you did?

Thank you so much for your help.

[julielfifield]

I 've got it, no need to repost. Thanks!