Create a NEW Sub-discipline

[brianwclayton1969]

How do you create a completely new sub-discipline? When I create a new sub-discipline the floor plans from other disciplines will move to that sub-discipine. I don't want a Plumbing Discipline. (Example: I create a Piping sub-discipline - for Mechanical- and I duplicate the Floor Plan View and when I add view template to that new Floor Plan and change the Sub-discipline to Piping - that I create - the floor plans for HVAC those will move to the Piping Sub-discipline. How create a new Sub-discipline without all the other floor plans transferring from one discipline?

[debimmanager · Accepted solution]

Hi @brianwclayton1969

I think this video can help you

Let me know if it helps you

[ToanDN]

You can create a NEW view template and assign the new sub-discipline to it.  Don't mess with the existing ones.

[robert.klempau · Accepted solution]

Hello @iceman1849,

Please see the screencast below.

It will show you how to create a new View Template, add filters to them to show different pipe system on separate views.

I also show you how to change the Sub-Discipline per View Template.

Screencast:  Add filters to View Templates

[Zaatra]

YOU CAN MAKE A NEW PARAMETER FROM PROJECT PARAMETER AND NAME IT AS YOU LIKE FOE EXAMPLE SUB SUB DISPLIN AND SELECTTHE CATEGORIY VIEWS AND THIS EEILL BE ADD TO TEMPLETE

[Zaatra]

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[brianwclayton1969]

Maybe I wasn't making myself really clear on what I'm trying to accomplish so I have created the screenshots in pdf so you can see what I want and what I'm getting that I don't want. Please. 

Under one main Discipline such as Mechanical there is HVAC and there are floor plan views and I want to leave them where they are and I want to create another sub-discipline under Mechcanical called piping (for equipment), and I want to have their own floor plan views and ceiling plan views, etc. But when I create the sub-discipline the other floor plan views relocate from the other sub-disciplines, see the attachments. Hope this clears up hte explanation

[robert.klempau]

Hello @brianwclayton1969,

your question was clear from the beginning.

In the picture below I explain the relationship between Views, Connected View templates and the Project Browser.

• A View can have a View template connected (1).
• A View template has View properties settings (2) based on the View Type (3).
• The properties are connected to the View Template if the "Include" option is set (4).
• Your 'HVAC' (5) Sub-Discipline is a Project parameter that is connected to 'Views'. See the Manage tab, select Project parameters, select the parameter 'Sub-Sisciplie', click Modify and check the Category that it is attached to. 
• The Views in the Project Browser are arranged based on the parameter values of your Views.

So if you change the Sub-Discipline in your View Template to "Plumbing", it affects all Views that have that View template connected (1).

In your project browser, they will move to "Pumbing" (6)

So when you want your existing Views, that have the View Template "Mechanical Plan" connected, stay where they are, you don't change them.

You duplicate that one, give it a proper name, and change your Sub-Discipline to Plumbing. Change other View properties and add that View template to your New Views. 

Note:

For your company standards, it is very important that you set up your View templates right and connect them to your Views.

I hope this clears it up. 

See also this screencast:  View Templates

[brianwclayton1969]

I see what you are saying and how the sub-discipline will change in #5. In my company standards I am going to completely remove the Plumbing category from the Project browser (so there are no views at all). 

What I want under the Mechanical Discipline is my own new sub-discipline called "PIPING" that I can create at #5, that will be listed under the Mechanical Discipline, after the HVAC sub-discipline and the floor and ceiling views are listed, then I have a new PIPING sub-discipline, with all the floor and ceiling views listed (not a Plumbing Discipline, Plumbing is not coming into play). Essentially I will have nothing but Mechanical Discipline with HVAC and Piping Sub-discipline. 

Where your #6 is none of that will disappear, all that will not exist. 

[robert.klempau]

Hello @brianwclayton1969,

So you understand the relationship between Views, View properties, View templates and the Project Browser.

Have also a look at your Project Browser Organization.

Play with it so you see what happens when you sort by different View parameters.

Note: You can't create your own Discipline parameters!

So you can create your own View template with the View Discipline parameter set to 'Mechanical' and Sub-Discipline set to "HVAC" and create another One with the View Discipline parameter also set to 'Mechanical' and Sub-Discipline set to "Piping".

That will do the job for you. 

I hope all this information was useful to you and helped you solve your issue.

[brianwclayton1969]

Thanks so much for all your assistance!!!!!!

All your screen shots and video, parameters all worked for my project. I created my new systems types, then my new parameters, then created my 2 NEW view templates as in your video.

Again I appreciate all your assistance!!!!

[waldo9QBRP]

[augustom5BMK6]

...using Revit 2022

In your project Browser, select the View that you wanted to set to your desired Sub-Discipline, then in the Graphics category, select Sub-Discipline, and just type in Piping.

I do this all the time. If I add an architectural element in a Mechanical Project, it is automatically created in the Architectural discipline, but carries the HVAC Sub-Discipline, or if I duplicate a mechanical Floor Plan and set it to Architectural discipline, HVAC Sub-Discipline appears on the Architectural. To not confuse myself, I just highlight all the Floor plans, Sections, etc under the Architectural discipline, then type in the Sub-Discipline, say Coordination or Temporary.

[iainsavage]

Or use view templates with sub-discipline set in the template? Far easier.

[augustom5BMK6]

Its the same thing, you can Create or Save your View Template from your current View once you set up your Sub Discipline.

[RobDraw]

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@augustom5BMK6 wrote:

Its the same thing, you can Create or Save your View Template from your current View once you set up your Sub Discipline.

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Not the same thing, if you have your view templates set-up ahead of time like a good project template should have.

I think this thread got way too complicated for such a simple thing. The simple solution that answers the OP is to create a view and assign it to the mechanical discipline, then just type the "new" subdiscipline into the properties panel.

[augustom5BMK6]

Just as I had said, just type in the desired sub-discipline, then save the View as your New View Template.

There are more than one way to skin a cat, cheers.

[RobDraw]

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@augustom5BMK6 wrote:

Just as I had said, just type in the desired sub-discipline

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Not really, the OP wanted it under Mechanical only. You left that out. At least, it sounded that way.

[augustom5BMK6]

I believe brian understand what he is doing and what we are trying to say, cheers.

[RobDraw]

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@augustom5BMK6 wrote:

I believe brian understand what he is doing and what we are trying to say, cheers.

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So, you are trying to say something but you didn't write it that way? Do you think he is better off just assigning that subdiscipline to just any view as opposed to one that is assigned to the Mechanical discipline? Technically that is correct for creating a new subdiscipline but it doesn't guarantee that it will be under Mechanical.

This is a technical forum and omitted steps can lead to unintended results and confusion.

Cheers to clear and concise directions.