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Window families cut plane defined by View Range

Window families cut plane defined by View Range

I would like to see the option to have window families cut based on the view range that they are visible in.

 

Currently the cut plane is set within the family itself which for a basic window is fine but when things start getting more complex we end up with windows showing incorrectly - this is especially true when a window extends over more than one floor.

 

Just to be clear I'd be looking for a checkbox to switch between the way it works now and what is proposed above not a wholesale change.

 

Cheers

 

K.

9 Comments
samuelsanf
Advisor
You can do that modifying each window family. Removing the Symbolic Lines on plan views and letting models lines be visible.
Keith_Wilkinson
Advisor

Umm, no you can't.  Where the family cuts has nothing to do with symbolic lines.  It's set in the family and as such ignores the View Range in the project file.

Anonymous
Not applicable

I thought there was already an Idea submitted on this issue, else I would have submitted a long time ago.  Someone must have been reading about Aaron Maller using Generic Models for windows since, well, they work the way they should without having to create a bunch of workarounds.

 

 

 

 

barthbradley
Consultant

@Keith_Wilkinson, pardon the late response, but I'd like to jump in and make a comment.

 

I'm not clear where you got the idea that Windows do not cut in accordance to the project's View Range. They most definitely do. Because of this certainty (and the 5 Kudos that your Idea received), I am wondering if I misunderstood you. 

 

Now, if you are referring to Legends, then you absolutely correct. The Legend cut plane for a Window is defined by the cut plane in the Window family. I posted a neat workaround to this not long ago on this Forum. 

 

I believe what @samuelsanf was referring to was Masking Region - not Symbolic Lines. In order to see the Window model geometry in project cut view, you need to do away with Masking Regions in the family -- if your Window family has them.  Delete the masking region and you might as well delete the Symbolic Lines too, since it's unlikely you need or see them without the masking region.

 

 

Keith_Wilkinson
Advisor

Are you stalking me?  ;o)

 

Sorry I have to disagree with you - windows and doors don't solely follow the cut plane of the view - it is a combination of both the view range in the project and the view range in the family.  .  This is nothing to do with masking regions or symbolic lines.

 

 

See image below for an example of the issue - first 2 families are windows with different cut planes set in the family itself, the 3rd window is the same family but changed to the generic model category - this is the only one that correctly shows the window as it should be cut by the view range in the project.

 

When you start getting into nested families it gets even more complicated.  Honestly the fact the that view range / cut plane in the the family has any bearing on how the element shows in the project is frankly just confusing.

 

One of my main reasons for looking for this is to try and deal with the issues of windows that span over more than one floor.

 

2017-04-26_09-51-08.jpg

 

 

 

barthbradley
Consultant

First off: not “stalking”you. Just stumbled onto this thread when I checked your profile to see if I could figure out what mountain is shown in your Avatar.  

 

Regarding this thread, I did misunderstand you. I’ve wrote many a forum thread venting my frustrations about this behavior. And it’s not only the cut plane in the family that affects the cut view in the project – it’s also the default sill height (not actual Sill Height). What will really bakes my noodle is that I can change that parameter in the project, and it will also effect a change to the cut view representation. 

 

You may already do this:  I use closely cropped Plan Regions to mitigate (setting the same distance for their cut plane and top plane).

 

p.s. getting better: I got only 2 underlines on this one.Smiley Wink

Keith_Wilkinson
Advisor

that's a relief... 

 

The photo was taken at Chamonix looking back across the valley towards Mont Blanc - the scenery around there is just amazing.  If you've never been I'd highly recommend it.

 

I hadn't considered the default sill height as being a factor as well - that's quite interesting, I'll need to run some further tests on that as well to try and understand how that plays into things.

 

I simply don't get what the intended benefit of this behaviour is - does anyone know why?  @autodesk?

 

 

RyanBradley_JACOBS
Contributor

yep this has been a problem for 15 years. come on Autodesk!!!!!

scmAA4X2
Participant

As a great man once said, Revit has very few solutions but lots of workarounds. This is a perfect example.

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