View Templates & Linked Views

[Anonymous]

Idea: Retain the view selection of RVT Links which are displayed "By linked view", even if applying a View Template which has "V/G Overrides RVT Links" ticked.

Or: An option to exclude "V/G > Revit Links > Display Settings > By linked view > Linked View (drop down selection)" from View Templates while still allowing other "V/G Overrides RVT Links" settings to be included in View Templates.

Why: If you have Revit Links in your model which are displayed "By linked view" not "By host view", you lose your view selection any time you apply a View Template.

E.g. If the Architect makes a change, and I need to adjust the Revit Links Display Settings, I either need to apply the changes to every view in the project individually; OR I can make a global change to the Revit Links Display Settings by applying a temporary View Template, but then I need to go back thru and select the correct Linked Views again for every view on the project, and not just for the Arch Revit Link, but all the other Revit Links as well.

[AnthonyViscusi]

I believe that similar ideas are suggested in this thread:

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/view-template-include-subcomponent-from-other-template/idc...

[Anonymous]

Thank you for sharing @AnthonyViscusi

That is a good all encompassing solution, I've given them a vote.

In case it is asking too much from the developers tho I'll keep this simpler idea active and see if we can get enough support.

Spread the word!! 😄

[lionel.kai]

So basically have an "Include" checkbox for each link (instead of all links or none)? They would probably need to add an "Include in Template" column to the "Revit Links" tab (and maybe remove the checkbox from the View Templates dialog), otherwise it could potentially be unmanageable and confusing if they added individual rows for each link to the View Templates dialog.

[Anonymous]

I can't think of any situation where anyone would want the View Template to override the Linked View "mapping", so my best solution is to exclude Linked View mapping from View Template control all together.

If that's too restrictive or short sighted though, there could be an additional checkbox in the View Template Manager to include/exclude Linked View mapping overrides:

What do you think?

[GallowayUS_com_RonAllen1]

@Anonymous This functionality already exists within Revit; try not selecting a linked view to include in the template or conversely make that the only part that gets overridden in the linked template.

I routinely have a topo map with the flat-cad linked (current view only) and use that view in all my outparcels, main building, site, etc. so 1. there are no '3d' flat cad elements int eh model and 2. there is a faithful representation of Civil's CAD drawing in the site (that I can turn on and off as needed- or tweak the DWG Drafting elements).

The View Template include subcomponent from other template allows for coarse to much finer granularity across a massive set of links (sometimes there are more than 100 models linked together on some of our projects)

[Anonymous]

@GallowayUS_com_RonAllen1 Unfortunately it's impossible to change display settings using a View Template for linked Revit models which have a Linked View assigned, without losing that Linked View.

This setting here:

Which means that you either need to change the display settings manually for every view with the linked model in it, or you change the settings globally with a View Template, and then manually re-assign the Linked View for every view with the linked model in it. Both very unnecessary and time consuming.

[GallowayUS_com_RonAllen1]

Even when you overriding the model and annotation tabs to the right in the link?  Should be able to override the subsequent on/off from there... though I vaguely remember something like this but thought I was able to overcome it with the next tabs... otherwise it is a BUG.

What are you trying to display from the linked view?

Worst case have a separate view for what you want to link or drive everything from the host model.

[Anonymous]

@GallowayUS_com_RonAllen1 Yes, we can make display changes on the next tabs, but would need to do it for every view which has that linked model in it, therefore very time consuming on a large project.

Or we can make a global display change using a View Template, but the View Template will overwrite the Linked View (pictured above) which we previously selected, and we'll need to go into every view and re-select the correct Linked View again.

One good example is where we want to show the beams from the slab below (out-of-strata view for Hydraulics). In "By Host View" these are hidden as they are underneath the slab itself, and the only ways to get them to show is by making the slab transparent, which shows more than desired. So the only way to show this correctly is "By Linked View" and selecting the appropriate view from the linked model.

[GallowayUS_com_RonAllen1]

I think I understand-

And I believe I touched on that- Agreed it is missing. As you dig into the linked models you could have linked view templates and the sub-detail of being able to control linked views PER link rather than lumped under one "links" tab.

[Anonymous]

@Anonymous @GallowayUS_com_RonAllen1

Although I agree with Ron's big picture approach to View Templates. This idea is just focused on the fundamental flaw that setting a link to By Linked View breaks view templates. If you use one you cant use the other.

Autodesk likes low lying fruit. Hopefully at least this gets implemented to make by linked view functional with view templates.

[GallowayUS_com_RonAllen1]

@Anonymous This is the 101 version which would solve 80-90% of the issues we deal with daily- should be easy to implement using pointers in the code in the API mimicking a manual process

• Use templates applied to most of the content with 'openings' for manual applied templates
• Using partial templates to apply to (all) views to fill in the differences

For example"

• Templates for plans, sections, elevations leave LINKS unchecked
• Apply a template across ALL VIEWS AT ONCE called "LINKS" which only modifies the links.

I will see if I can outline and describe how I would like to re-vamp the interface and structure of displayed data. Three possibilities- 1. Structured recursive data to apply at any node (Complex to deal with) 2. Block basic programming in branches using a visual (like dynamo) or line based programming language to override 3. Matrix  similar to the current VG with ability to link any feature back to a previous node or template.