View Specific Filters

[ceyhunyuzuak]

I believe we need a dedicated View-Specific Filter List, a property that overrides View, View Template, and V/G Filters but is not controlled by the View Template.

as an MEP Project and BIM Manager, I have to say that we often find ourselves creating 100+ views just to isolate our systems from anything else. more systems mean more Views and it means more Filters. This sometimes results in 100+ filters that will never be used elsewhere. Since Revit lacks a folder structure for organizing filters (which is another issue altogether), we are forced to use prefixes in filter names to maintain some level of organization. But at the end of the day, we still end up with a chaotic list of 200+ filters.

I’m sure other disciplines face similar challenges.

While Selection Filters exist, they are not a practical solution for managing this issue as you have to update them before every single time you submit your data.

Would love to hear thoughts from others, though. Am I missing something here?

[Mike.FORM]

Put things on worksets and turn off the worksets you don't want to see.

[benjamin_miranda]

agree to you Mike. I always use worksets to manage my views without any problem.

[ceyhunyuzuak]

@Mike.FORM  , @benjamin_miranda 

Please help me understand this.. Are you genuinely suggesting people to create 100+ worksets and manage all related elements to go into correct worksets whenever a new element is created? 

[Mike.FORM]

I guess I don't understand your query or what you are actually suggesting be added.

You have different systems in your project, sometimes 100+, can you give an example list?

Worksets are specifically for separating out different systems / groupings / corresponding elements.

Using worksets is way easier than using filters for your situation.

And yes, if you have a complicated building then yes the model and organization gets more complicated.

[ceyhunyuzuak]

@Mike.FORM 

With all due respect, I doubt I could easily help you understand the problems MEP people are facing, just as I have struggle to see what's ruining your workflows (assuming you're an Architect).

Also, for the record, I would never advise anyone to use worksets as substitutes of filters. Workset parameter is an instance parameter and it doesn't automatically change based on any other property of an element. Therefore one cannot take advantage of rule based filtering methods. There are tools that automate updating the parameter, also there are tools that enables a user to switch to a workset of a selected element just in order to avoid this mess-ups.

Instead of that, for my case, I wrote a python script, that generates and/or updates selection filters and 3D Views that I mentioned in the post. it also simply isolates my individual systems in every single views by utilizing the selection filters.

Still inconvenient... For the case in my post, and for many other, all of these options are simply inconvenient, even unwieldy.

[mhiserZFHXS]

I'm trying to wrap my head around exactly what you're asking for as well.

Are you wanting to be able to apply filters with both the view template as well as apply filters to a view? That's all I can figure here since you can only do one or the other as of now.

[ceyhunyuzuak]

@mhiserZFHXS 

For those unfamiliar with MEP workflows, let me clarify:

In MEP projects, we often need to isolate different individual systems (e.g., HVAC, plumbing, fire protection etc. systems) in 3D views. We simply tag and then submit them. The current way to achieve this in Revit is by using View Filters, but this creates an organizational challenge.

The Problem:
Too Many Views: Each system needs its own isolated 3D view, and large projects can easily require 100+ views.
Too Many Filters: Each view requires unique filters to isolate specific elements. These filters don’t get reused elsewhere, yet they have to be stored in the filter list.
No Filter Organization: Since Revit lacks a folder system for filters, we are forced to use naming conventions (prefixes) to keep things somewhat manageable, but it quickly gets messy.

The Proposed Solution:
A View-Specific Filter List: a View property that allows us to manage filters for each independent view instance, has its own separate Filter List, overriding the existing filters. This would prevent unnecessary filters from cluttering the normal filter list and make workflows more efficient.

this requirement of such feature isn't necessary for only this particular scenario. it's just an example. 

[Mike.FORM]

Would you not be able to use worksets in conjunction with filters to isolate different zones and spaces?

I do agree though that some sort of structuring would be nice for the filters list as they can get quite extensive.

[mhiserZFHXS]

Okay, so you basically want to be able to "build" a filter within a view rather than in the filter menu?

The organization/folder bit would definitely be helpful, and for a much larger user-base as well. That is a recurring theme in Revit.

[ViviNyehuusAndersen]

Project Filters

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/project-settings/idi-p/13147754