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User Keynotes

User Keynotes

Dear Developers,

I have written you on this subject before, it's been quite a while ago now.

Here's the thing, we NEED a USER keynote that does not require a host. I use keynotes constantly and the fact that they need and move with their host costs me a lot of time. I personally see absolutely no advantage to having a user keynote that requires a host. What do we have to do when we want to keynote an element that does not function as a host like in a detail view for example? We have to start the leader from the keynote on something that will function as a host then move the keynote and it's leader to the correct element. And what happens when we change or delete it's host? The keynote either moves (then we have to relocate it again) or it is deleted. This costs a LOT of time. Keynotes are constantly moving around just because you make a small change to their host. Take a concrete slab as an example, if you use that slab to function as a host so you can keynote an element that won't function as a host then you change the boundary of that slab your keynotes are moved away from the element you applied the keynote to and you have to find them in every view and relocate them. I'm sure you see that having a user keynote that does not require a host is something I'm sure anyone who uses user keynotes wants.

Sincerely,

Keith

8 Comments
Anonymous
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What I personally would love to see is a user keynote that doesn't require a host.

One that behaves like a text note.

Anonymous
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Dear Developers,

Please, please, please give us a user keynote that does not require a host. The user keynote requiring a host costs me a lot of time. In fact I would venture to say that there is virtually no advantage to having a user keynote that requires a host.

What is the point of having it require a host? You move the element and the keynote goes with it? Not so much. Is the advantage that when you delete the element the user keynote is also deleted? If there's an advantage there I'm not seeing it.

I am always wanting to keynote elements of drawings that do not function as a host. That means I have to find a host in order to generate a keynote, then move the keynote and it's leader to the appropriate element. That gets very time consuming. Especially if you want to keynote drafting views which I do.

Here is another thing that is seriously bad about a user keynote that requires a host. I'm working on a condominium project where a number of units or condominiums are linked together to create the different buildings and I of course document the buildings from the host file. The units that are linked into the buildings are of course changing and being developed. This is where a user keynote that requires a host becomes a time consuming pain because as the units are changed the keynotes in the host file will lose their original host and then you have to run around and find new hosts for all of the keynotes that have lost their hosts or add them back if they've been deleted when you deleted an element. Very, very time consuming and you've done nothing productive. Also, let's take a simple example of a gyp. bd. ceiling that has been changed in a linked file. When you go to the host file the keynotes which have used that ceiling as a host have now moved around to locations where you then have to move them to get them where they should be. Also very time consuming.

To sum up, A user keynote that does not require a host would be a tremendous advantage in my opinion.

Also something to strongly consider is the ability to add more than one leader to a keynote much the same way you can add additional leaders to text notes.

Sincerely,

Keith Harvey

Anonymous
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I got thew solution for you. You can just make it a text that you can copy

Anonymous
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Adding more ideas for the same idea isn't going to help....

This one has 13 likes: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/user-keynotes/idi-p/8249987?search-action-id=397642368428...

This one has 17 likes: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/user-keynote/idi-p/6349311?search-action-id=397642368428&...

 

Maybe an admin will see this and merge them all so you will have 33 votes.

jan
Enthusiast
Enthusiast

@Anonymous you are not getting the point. The way Revit currently has User Keynotes hosted to an element but not taking any information from them, is an anomaly - I had experts from the Revit development team pretty much agree with me on that. For hosted Keynotes, there are Element Keynotes and Material Keynotes. There should absolutely be a real (truly unhosted) User Keynote available, for tagging elements that are not modeled, or for managing consistency on plan notes. Text notes are not a viable substitute for User Keynotes, for the simple reason that they are not driven from a central database. Nor will copying Text notes keep them consistent over time. Anyone who has done the simplest drawing set will appreciate the difference.

alexw
Community Visitor

Yes yes yes. It's 2022. Can we PLEASE have a user keynote that doesn't have to be hosted to an element. 

MKurtzCMR5Y
Community Visitor

2023 and this is still an issue lol

mespositoCUNFX
Community Visitor

Halfway through 2023, this particular item causes massive time-wasting on large projects btw...

 

We should be able to use the central "keynote" data base and show "carpet" with (2) arrows shooting both directions from the keynote symbol. 

 

Using fake leaders, empty tags, text over-rides (etc.) is not efficient. 

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