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Structural connection Improvment

Structural connection Improvment

Improve and expand the structural connections. Allowing connections not only between beam/beam and beam/ column but also beam to embed plates. Current connections in 2017 don't allow for cut geometry if there is a connection on one end or mitered connections.

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lionel.kai
Advisor

I've been wanting "automatic"/parametric (true) connections ever since I first started exploring Revit's library and discovered that the OOTB connections were just "dumb" generic components that had no idea what elements were being connected... 2017's Steel Connections are a good FIRST STEP, but we should be able to have TRUE Connection elements for ANY connection no matter the material/family - embed plates, glulam framing, etc. We should be able to create Connection families - not just the ones provided by the add-in.

 

Related (accepted) ideas:

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/structure-detailing-steel-connections/idi-p/6326933

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/structural-connections-subcomponents/idi-p/6322376

beriock
Contributor

I am not holding my breath for any drastic improvements to the structural connections issues since the quote below about the mitered beams got working with the connections is a direct quote from an Autodesk Support person;

 

"According to the developers, this issue is a known limitation in Revit. The miter command uses a reference plane to cut the beams in structural elements, and when fabrication element is created (as happens when a detailed connection is placed on the beam), the (original) structural element is ignored by Revit. We will be updating the documentation to include this information so users will be informed about it. At this time there are no plans to fix the problem as a fix may have an unknown negative impact in other ways, and/or would require a major code revision. I wish I had better news for you, but I thought you'd want to know where things stand with this issue. Let me know if you have any questions."

SeanSpence
Advocate

Yes, Good first step.

 

BUT!!!

 

At least allow the instance style modify parameters to be matched to other connections. especially with base plates. Or better still save them as type parameters to the duplicated types (that do nothing but allow you to group the connections for easier selection)

 

Seriously, we have to "Modify Parameters" of each and every base plate individually or copy them? Then individually change or delete then copy again when an inevitable change in base plate size happens?

haedicu
Alumni
El estado se ha cambiado a: Accepted

Great idea @beriock! We will have these on our road map for future implementation. No ETA yet on when it might be coming but we will be sure to keep everyone posted.

YarUnderoaker
Collaborator

Why you change status to Accepted when you don't know when it might be coming?

Status must be Future Consideration or do accepted ideas in next release.

lionel.kai
Advisor

@YarUnderoaker FYI, from https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/community-faq/ideas/m-p/5384681:


Future Consideration: While we’re generally a fan of these ideas, the timing isn’t quite right for development consideration. As such, they are being put on the back burner to be re-visited at a later date. Please continue to comment and add your support.

 

Accepted: Not only have these ideas been vetted by the community and our product teams, but we’ve also added them to our development backlog so that they can be considered for future inclusion into a given product or service. Please note: we cannot confirm that ideas with this status will be implemented and/or provide a time frame as to when they might be implemented.


i.e. "Future Consideration" means they might think about it later, "Accepted" means that they're probably going to implement it, and as usual, there needs to be a disclaimer - "we can't guarantee anything", "don't make purchasing decisions based on...", etc.

 

YarUnderoaker
Collaborator

This idea must be in Implemented section because what did beriock write is done.

harlan_brumm
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Implemented
 
YarUnderoaker
Collaborator

Better late than never Emoticono feliz

lionel.kai
Advisor

@harlan_brumm @YarUnderoaker I wouldn't consider this fully "Implemented" (although they definitely have been "Improved and expanded" in 2019) as it still don't meet the OP's two more specific requests:

  • "Allowing connections not only between beam/beam and beam/ column but also beam to embed plates." [dearth of wall connection types, no pockets in walls, etc.]
  • "Current connections in 2017 don't allow for cut geometry if there is a connection on one end or mitered connections." [if you add a connection on one end, the other can't miter]
YarUnderoaker
Collaborator

1) Now you can apply sawcut modifier for column/beam to plate.

2) Old modifier like miter can't be applied same time as modifier from steel tab. Need to work with only one tools set. This is fine for me.

Tarek_K
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Gathering Support
 
Tarek_K
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Implemented
 

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