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Steel fabrication in revit

Steel fabrication in revit

I am continually frustrated by the lack of development on advance steel. The software is stagnant and needs to move to the Revit platform. A lot of the connections are already being built in. Why not have a fully integrated system. Why do I have to use an old Autocad system adjusting UCS etc. and a totally illogical numbering system, which is almost impossible to overwrite. You can create steel in Revit and use the assembly tools to do output drawings. It would not take much to fully automate the output which actually dimensions the assembly instead of creating a poorly created DWG. Link. 

 

Revit is they way forward for most construction systems. Let's finish it off with fabrication/Shop Drawings.

The Link between Advance steel and Revit has never worked very well and the 'workflow' advertised is not adequate for managing and organizing projects.

 

  

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ipselute
Advisor

@josh.benstead: I beg you the differ. I believe Revit has evolved a lot in steel modeling and design in the last couple of years. In the last year Revit has (already) overpast Allplan in steel capabilities. And Allplan is a very old construction software.

Being able to create fully detailed steel nodes, either welded or bolted, is not a punny task. Few softwares are able of doing that (Bocad, Tekla, Bentley RAM). And those softwares are usually dedicated programs to steel fabrication ONLY.

I know that steel shop drawings are the endgame, the ultimate goal in steel construction, and i'm confident Revit will eventually get the nail of it.

P.S. Please take into account that Revit is multi-disciplinary. Implementation of things takes longer than in dedicated software. Integrating new code in such complex program like Revit takes lots of trials and bug-hunting.

josh.benstead
Explorer

@ipselute I totally agree its come a long way and I'm sure it will get there. The issue is with Autodesk forcing the use of Advance Steel to do the fabrication/shop drawing work which in my opinion has a poor output. By trade I'm a Timber Frame Designer using Horizon add-on to produce Manufacturing drawings for Prefabricated Panels, Metal Web Joists and Floor Cassettes (https://www.wolfsystem.co.uk/software/horizon-software/design,-visualise-and-document.aspx). However sometimes we need to design Steel within the structure and we can design it within Revit using structural beams and columns and model in place families. If you manually combine these elements into an assembly you can produce fantastic drawings. See below example.

 

If the Structural Connections could be added to the assembly most of the manually modeled in place families would not be required. If it automatically created these drawings with Dimensions etc. then even better.

 

My biggest grief is being sold advanced steel under the impression it would speed up our workflow with a dynamic link between the 2 bits of software. This only partly works and manually created connections do not currently (as far as I am aware) come back into Revit. Our company may be pretty unique with this but our add-on software uses structural framing elements so the link also scans thousands of items within the Revit file when trying to re-import(synchronize) and often runs out of memory. Our best solution has been to explode the Advance Steel objects then export to a .SAT file. 

 

 

Steel example.PNG 

pavlo
Contributor

That is what you said in 2018 year " You can create steel in Revit and use the assembly tools to do output drawings". Now November 2021 but unfortunately the Revit does not have yet any tool to create the steel assemlies drawings. In Road map the Revit does not have anything how to create steel assemblies drawings. I don't understand, are the Autodesk ever going to implement this feature for Revit ? Thank you for Ideas.

josh.benstead
Explorer

@pavlo I don't think they want to produce Fabrication drawings in Revit. 

You are forced to use Advance Steel which I have got used to, the output is rubbish but works - sort of.

To make it even more irritating if you use the Steel tools in Revit you can not add the beams to assemblies. Meaning if you are drawing the fabrication drawings in Revit (like most of my colleagues do) you have to draw sections and Isolate the steels in each view. This also means if you draw new elements in the model they appear in the views.

Annoyingly it would be nice if they are not going to develop it further they fixed the export links so RSA angle brackets imported with the correct rotation or an easy option to just export the steel elements. I'm a Timber Frame designer and our Framing add on software uses Structural Framing Members etc. so it tries importing thousands of bits of timber. I have to select each steel and connection detail manually. Its very frustrating. 

 

pavlo
Contributor

I am still using the generic model to model the plates only because there is possibility to create assemblies drawings. I saw the video cource how to use Advance Steel but I do not like that idea with camera to create views for general drawings, to me the Revit is better then Advance Steel to create General drawings. I hope that once Autodesk team would add the possibility to create "assemblies" drawings for Steel elements to Revit.

20211020-steel connections design.png

 

scottbaldy
Enthusiast

It is absurd that Autodesk will not allow any steel connection families to be added to Assemblies.  They also block beams, columns and braces that have a Revit "steel connection" applied from being added to an assembly.  Open It Up!

basilWQYNL
Contributor

Revit shoud have an option to picemark steel members like in advance steel and create fabrication drawings. This will eventually reduce the use of advance steel. Revit has capacity to handle large projects than advance steel. If revit could make assembly drawings cnc dxf files it could be a steel detailing software comparable to tekla

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YarUnderoaker
Collaborator

There is article https://blogs.autodesk.com/revit/2023/03/29/advancing-steel-detailing-and-design-at-autodesk/ where talking about pivoting away from developing new features in Advance Steel and placing it on maintenance mode. So maybe Revit will be replace step by step Advance Steel.

pavlo
Contributor
YarUnderoaker There is an article https://blogs.autodesk.com/revit/2023/03/29/advancing-steel-detailing-and-design-at-autodesk/    Unfortunately, you can't find it in the Autodesk Revit Public Roadmap. They do not have many plans to develop steel design.
 
 

 

piotr_pysz
Autodesk

Hi, thanks all for the feedback. 

Bumping this up as we are re-starting our steel-detailing in Revit journey so I wanted to update you all on the current status.
Regarding the fabrication drawings (assembly & part) - yes this is the end game to have it in Revit (this is on the public roadmap in the Next tab):

piotr_pysz_0-1712339349465.png

 

Regarding the assemblies -  this is part of the bigger problem that we will be trying to tackle more holistically. Pleas check this card (also in the next tab):

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You can find the link to the Revit Structures roadmap here 

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