Revit for complex reinforcement

[Anonymous]

Good morning I'll try to list some of the future that we, as a civil engineering firm, would like to have in Revit to be able to us it in our projects:

• Double curvature rebars (as you can see from the screenshot), all tunnel reinforcements have double curvature rebars in the reverse arc and in the top part of the tunnel. Right now is possible to do it using the API but most of the times the curve is generating an error and is not visible in the view. It is possible to do it with freeform but with very low control on the lenght of the bar and constraints
• Path distribution reinforcement for all tipe of categories: it is not possible to reinforce a curved beam without using the array function, this is not the best option because we don't have control on the layout of rebars and constraints
• Path distribution along any kind of curve (without using Dynamo!)
• Varying rebars distribution that follow the perpendicular direction to the path
• Constraints between rebars: not only between stirrups and standards bar. It's not possible to manage multiple concentric layers of rebars using constraints between layers
• Double layout: we would like to avoid the use of model groups to layout rebars first horizontally and then vertically (or vice-versa)
• Visibility of rebars in linked files: is not possible to manage the solid and unobscured visibility in linked models. How we can manage huge models in this way?
• Not mentioning the 2D detailing of rebars that, right now, we're forced to do with Sofistik. Is that so difficult to include this functionality?

Revit is not competitive at all with other solutions and we're probably forced to move forward with Allplan or Tekla due to this, but honestly we have all our processes based on Revit and we don't like the idea.

Thanks

Cesare

[YarUnderoaker]

Hi. You lose screenshots.

[Anonymous]

[peticid]

Hi Cesare,

I appreciate the extensive feedback that you shared with us regarding the reinforcement functionalities you would like to have in Revit. We are very interested in understanding your and the entire community's interest in these, but in the same time we would also like to see how to prioritize them, to make sure we are addressing the most important things first. Therefore, I would suggest you to make each request an individual idea, so everyone can vote for it and provide us feedback target for that specific issue.

Regarding our partners' contributions to the workflow, I would like to propose you to check out this article: http://blogs.autodesk.com/bim-and-beam/2016/10/14/bim-for-reinforced-concrete-its-in-the-details/. Their expertise from the various regions they cover is very important so that together our solutions match as much as possible to the local requirements given by different laws, best practices etc.

I encourage you to post other ideas about Concrete and Rebar, too, because together we can build better tools for you. I am really looking forward for your input.

Kind regards,

Dan Peticila

Product Manager

DCP-BID-Structure

Autodesk, Inc.

www.autodesk.com

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks Dan,

I really love to be involved in the process of developing. I'm already part of the beta community and, every day, I spend my time trying to develop new custom tools with dynamo and .net because I really believe that Revit is the best tool on the market. 

We just need a bit more of interest in techncial things. 

Sometimes it seems to me that, to keep the platform as simple as possible for the most, we loose competitivity against the others. 

At the end of the day we're engineers and we want something able to solve complex problem with are willing to pay in tool complexity.

If I have to give a list of priorities this would be my guess:

- Improve detailing capabilities: rebar 2D shapes, tagging, marking and more tools to improve the fabrication output (splicing, offset), advanced constraint

- Complex rebar shapes: rebar from curves, more control over custom rebar families

Then all the other thing.

I'm open to discussion!

[g.cimino]

Thanks Cesare and Dan! 

I'm totally quoting what Cesare wrote in his two posts and totally looking forward to see those features implemented in RVT!

[peticid]

Hi Cesare,

The latest "Free Form Rebar Aligned Distribution", released with Revit 2019.1, allows you to create the rebar patterns shown below for the tunnels and other complex geometries. If you use this together with the "Free Form Reinforcement Shape Matching", released with Revit 2019, then the full fabrication instructions are available.

I am closing this idea as "Implemented", as I believe this was the main point of this thread. For the remaining ones you mentioned in your original post, please post them as new ideas, so that they can collect the community's votes.

Kind regards,

Dan Peticila

Product Manager

DCP-BID-Structure

Autodesk, Inc.

www.autodesk.com