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Revit 2019 - Window Maximizing

Revit 2019 - Window Maximizing

Revit 2019 has lost a feature of conveniently maximizing any one of the tiled windows, while still having all the tools, project browser and properties visible.

 

If you have multiple tiled windows open, and you wish to maximize only one of them, you have to "pull" the chosen window out to get the small "maximize" icon in the top right corner, as well when you do maximize it, the window does not include any of the tools nor the project browser nor the properties, just the window. 

 

I like the view tabs and how they work, but why get rid of another equally valuable feature? Why not have both? 

53 Comentarios
Kitty.Ma
Autodesk

Hi Do you notice that there is a new function called 'Tab Views' which will put all tiled tabs in side of the Revit main frame into non-tiling mode - so now you will have your current active view maximized.

Does this workflow meet your current requirement?

sdijanovic
Enthusiast

Hi. I was not aware of this function. Thank you very much for pointing this out!

jseltzer
Enthusiast

This tab view doesnt help get the tool bars back when you maximize a view, which makes no sense.  if you bring it to a different screen, that would make sense, but on 1 screen, its necessary to have that top tool bar, even if you rarely use the buttons like i do. why do you guys always have to change things

you also removed the function of double clicking the top of a window to maximize it, another bad move

Kitty.Ma
Autodesk

Hi jseltzer, when you say tool bars, what function do you refer? 

Anonymous
No aplicable

I would also love to see the option back to maximize only one window while still having multiple tiled windows open in the background. 
Is this something we could hope to see added back in future updates?

dleetch
Community Visitor

I use the minimize command to allow me to only tile a subset of the open windows; with the minimize button gone, is there another way to achieve this workflow?

Kitty.Ma
Autodesk

@dleetch, not yet. As a workaround, you might try to pull the views not joining the tiling to be out-of-frame windows, then they will not be count when tiling.

But to know more, would you mind to let me know in what context you want to minimize the window - not seeing it instead of closing it?

Kitty.Ma
Autodesk

@Anonymous, now you could try to TAB WINDOWS (TW as shortcut) to bring a view to be maximized. Does this work in your workflow?

sdijanovic
Enthusiast

I hate to say it but this still isn't working as good as the previous versions of Revit. Yes, you can use TW to TAB windows and maximize the current view (that's great) but 99% of the time I want to have multiple windows open (not just 1) and after tiling (WT) I will choose a few windows to minimize in order to see the remaining windows bigger on a single screen. I don't want to close the windows because then I have to search for them again through the project browser and that can be very time-consuming. 

 

How can I quickly achieve this in 2019? Currently, the only workaround for this is TAB all windows, then pull out the ones that you don't want to be included in tiling (WT) from the TAB. Not very quick/convenient. 

Kitty.Ma
Autodesk

@sdijanovic  Thanks for the feedback. Let me understand your workflow here. Why did you have some windows remaining open but minimized? For the last time you were able to do so, what were those views for? Why did you feel it's time-consuming for re-open the views from project browser?

I am trying to understand the context a little bit more and hope to look for a solution for the pain-points.

You are correct, currently the workaround to achieve the similar thing is to pull the views out.

jseltzer
Enthusiast

The new system is terrible

if you want to maximize a view on the same screen as the main program, you lose the toolbars at the top. EVERYTHING is wrong with the way this was done. i don't understand why you guys have to mess around with everything. the only positive thing here is that you can use multiple screens. i'm trying to figure out what is worse, the way this is done or the fact you got rid of the Collaboration communicator or the entire new setup for Collaboration. i don't know who is designing these these things, but it cant be architects who are actually using this program 

sdijanovic
Enthusiast

@Kitty.Ma I will have at least 3-4 different views open that are focused on a specific area/item, at the same time, in order to see how the changes that I'm making look from different views. Typically, this is a plan view, elevation view, section view, and a 3D view, but it could be other views as well (different 3D angles or multiple plan views if the change is affecting multiple floors). A lot of times, I am building custom families or modelling masses, etc.  

Your first and last question are basically concerning the same issue and that is the issue of convenience and flexibility. I have minimized the windows because it is easier to re-open (maximize) them then it is to search them through the project browser, at least in previous versions of Revit. Searching through the project browser is more time consuming because it sometimes involves going through 1000+ views in a project and this will ALWAYS take longer than just clicking on a "maximize" button in a window that is already in your bottom left corner (that's the locations where all the previous versions or Revit stored minimized windows). Time spent searching through the project browser isn't very long, but over the course of a day and opening and closing different views 100+ times in a day it adds up, and it adds up in frustration even faster. 

What I don't understand is why did Autodesk decide to remove the minimize/maximize feature in the first place? Did users complain about this feature? Was this creating conflicts with other UI tools in Revit? Is it impossible to have the new TAB feature from Revit 2019, as well as the old,  minimize/maximize feature available at the same time? Thanks.

Anonymous
No aplicable

I'd just like to repeat that this new window tab/tile system is garbage. Whoever made this update, and whoever was supervising and said "Yeah, this is a good idea!" should lose their jobs. This is almost as dumb as changing the size of the 3/32" text causing everyone's standard notes, titleblocks, schedules, etc. to have to be revised to accomodate a new text size. Quit fixing stuff that isn't broken. If there's some sort of behind the scenes reason for why a change like this had to be implemented to improve Revit, like it reduces the number of fatal errors or whatever, then make that an upfront and well known reason for removing basic, standard features like the minimize/maximize window buttons. But as it is, this is just dumb. 

paavo.idman
Contributor

I do have to disagree with most of the comments here. The change has been to the correct direction (not perfect yet of course). But at last getting for example a 3D view to your other screen (even non-cropped perspective 3D, though the navigation wheel needs to go and be replaced with something usable) without flexing the whole Revit window is really great. And those view tabs on top are way more user friendly than the old way of using WT all the time. Sure I understand that you'd like to have only certain windows tiled and some minimized and hopefully that will be possible in the future also with this new layout.

Anonymous
No aplicable

@paavo.idman I stand by my earlier comments, just can't wrap my head around someone thinking removing minimize/maximize window features was a good idea, but glad to hear others are finding some benefits from the changes. I can't offer too much guidance on how to make it happen (this was implemented by the IT dept at a company I used to work for), but you can run Revit on multiple screens at once if you have the correct video card. I think the one we had was an Nvidia of some sort. If I remember correctly you still get to have all of your toolbars on each screen as well, but don't quote me on that. 

Also, have you tried using an xbox controller to navigate 3D views? I like the nav wheel personally, but the xbox controller is great when doing collaborative, non-VR walk throughs.

 

sdijanovic
Enthusiast

@paavo.idman There is no issue with the tabs addition. It's great that they have added this feature. There is also no issue with the ability to be able to pull out a window and maximize it on your other screen. No one here is complaining about the ADDED features. The issue is with the REMOVAL of the equally valuable feature (which was described in the previous posts). And there is absolutely no reason why you could not have both features available at the same time. 

 

Anonymous
No aplicable

So is Autodesk doing anything about this? 

Kitty.Ma
Autodesk

We are hearing all of your feedback and appreciate all your time and comments on this issue. I hope we could understand the problems happened during your workflow and find correct solutions for the problems. Thank you for your valuable inputs!

Anonymous
No aplicable

I personally believe that the change to tab views in 2019/20 are one step forward and two backwards. It's slowing us down considerably

You can arrange the tabs beautifully in groups that won't stay that way because the locations/order of the tabs keep changing as you move through them. Awful. So no grouping tabs for me. 

I had to resort to open the 3D and all the floor plans in order to facilitate the flipping between floor plans but when you open the file the next day, Revit only opens the 3D and a random floor plan. Then you have to open them again in order to keep working. The starting view is set Last Viewed.

I am used to work with Revit stretched over two monitors, work on the floor plan on one screen with supporting views like sections, elevations, 3D views on the second screen visible at all times so I can quickly check, at a glance, the effect of the changes in 3D, sections or elevations. Double clicking the view would maximize the view and then back really quickly without losing the windows layout.Trying to emulate the same workflow in 2019 takes more effort and it's really annoying. It was quick to  cut a section, open it and then move it to the second screen. Now it feels more convoluted. Most people don't work in one maximized window at the time.

I was keen to install Revit 2020  hoping to see this issue fixed but I was disappointed that it wasn't addressed after reading so many complains in this regard.

Anonymous
No aplicable

Some people are very harsh in here.

 

My issue with the new system is to mass close tabs when multiple are open. I frequently have many views open just due to bouncing around the model and some times hit the command to tile windows to begin to locate my desired window. To close all the tabs you need one full screen. When I find the window I wish to keep open and to reduce processing power instead of double clicking - I now click then type TW - however in my mind this is one additional input as before I would just double click. 

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