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We often work in renovation projects. With Autocad, we would use layers for existing components, other layers for demolished components and an other group for new components. The existing components would be used in the demoilition and construction phase.
Different options are available in Revit to do this kind of drawings, but it would be very pratical to use the phases in the detail view to manage the different construction steps.
I understand the phase filters concepts for models. It would be very practical that the phase filters can be applied to all 2d objects (annotation families, lines).
it seems that I did not explain clearly the objective of my idea. I am looking for a simple procedure to create independent views for the same detail in different construction phases. I would like to be able to see the same lines and 2d objects in different views just like I do with x-ref in Autocad.
When I work on a renovation project in autocad, I start by drawing the existing construction detail by using the model and adding lines of different types and 2d objects to complete the details. Usually the detail is drawn with continuous lines with a gray solid hatch. I use this detail to create the demolition detail by changing the lines of the demolished components in hidden type line and removing the solid hatch. The demolition detail is obviously coordinated with the construction detail. The demolition is used in x-ref in the construction pages so that I don't have to draw the detail twice. If I change something in the demolition detail, the changes show in the construction detail.
I would like to find a simple procedure in Revit. I understand that I can use the comments parameter for 2d objects to filter what I want to see, but it is more complicated for lines.
Since the phase parameter exists, I think that it is a good idea to use it for all types of drawing elements since it is a filter that already exists in Revit.
I believe that text should be on a Phase and Not View Specific.
Consider that you have designed the ultimate plan set with all of the bells and whistles. Now you desire to scale the project back to cut costs or for any other reasons. If you have a 100 or more views of the ultimate design this means that you now have to duplicate these views and the sheets they are on to obtain the scaled back design. Then you need to delete the text that no longer applies and hope that you get it all right. What do you do if you made a mistake or what it another way? The amount of effort required is inconceivable!
Then if you want an in-between design you will again have to duplicate all of the views and sheets again. This seems to be a very unreasonable way to achieve simple variations in the design.
Wouldn’t it be more efficient to just change the text that labels an item to the same phase of the item? It is true that you will need to change the Phase of the 100 views to the achieve the result. However, the Sheets these views are on could remain as they are and you wouldn’t end up with hundreds of duplicates.
I believe that text should be on a Phase and Not View Specific.
I would like to correct that statement to read as follows:
I believe that text should also be on a Phase and Not just View Specific.
I understand the value of text and annotation being view specific. If text and annotation were also on a Phase then the goal that I stated could be achieved.
I am attaching three images to exemplify the outcome that I wish could be accomplished with phase specific text. The images are from just one of several views of a whole house water filtration system.
Image 1 is Design 1 which is the All Out Design that contains a water meter. The meter is on a phase. The text is not on a phase as how Revit currently functions.
Image 2 is Design 2 which is the Scaled Back Design that eliminates the water meter by changing the view’s phase. However, the text not being on the same phase remains in the view.
If the text label for the meter was on the same phase as the meter then simply changing the view’s phase would quickly and precisely make the view show the desired design as in Image 3.
If Revit had phase specific text there would be no need for duplicate views and sheets to deal with various design options.
I am running into this on a project this morning. I have set up equipment and piping for a project, but the scope has changed. So now I am setting a good bit of the equipment to a future phase, but I have to manually hide each piece of text, which no one will likely see when we move to the future phase - but the equipment will show up once the phase is progressed.
This request does not make sense. As @Yien_Chao said you should have views for each phase and if you have text it should only exist in that view.
You also state rooms and room tags are easily phased. Those 2 items currently cannot be phased, they only exist in the phase they are created, they do not pass through one phase to another.
Are you trying to say you want the ability to place text as some sort of modeled annotation that appears in all views of the same type for that phase?
I have made a Multi-catagory tag with shared parameters that does something similar to what you want (I think). The tag has three types - Existing, Demo, New. The shared parameters are added to the project and assigned to all model categories.
There are 6 shared parameters -
1- Existing Text (type)
2- Existing Text Additional (Instance)
3- Demo Text (type)
4- Demo Text Additional (Instance)
5- New Text (type)
6- New Text Additional (Instance)
Now in the project I can tag any item with a multi-catagory tag and assign the text at a type level and additional text to any instance of that type. I just add different text to each phase as required. It doesn't have the controllability of a text box but it works ok in most situations and if I need to change any of the text it updates globally.
Hello, I would be glad if there was a way to change the color of labels using phase overwriting. e.g. as a switch parameter for the respective view o Label color by style o Label color by phase
See appendix for illustration.
Another option would be to display the phase of the base part as a global property parameter for labels. And then to read this parameter using a filter and to overwrite the label color using a filter.
Until now, you either had to create a separate label for each color or you had to overwrite the individual labels in the respective view. Neither is very convenient and is often forgotten when changes are made.
