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Maintain Annotation Orientation in all family catagories

Maintain Annotation Orientation in all family catagories

I´m not sure if I requested this before.

But could you add Maintain Annotation Orientation to all Family Categories? The workaround described in a previous post is not working properly and it gives us an bunch of challenges.

 

37 Comentarios
casquatch
Collaborator

@rhughes, typically you'd want to make a switch with the Lighting Devices category, which does actually support the Maintain Annotation Orientation checkbox. You should be able to just change the category of your family, then toggle that checkbox on. Hopefully that resolves your upside down issue.

Creating a shared nested family is not the best way around this. Mainly because some of the users inserts this nested family in the projects. And the nested family appears in the quantity schedules fore the contractor. Ist causing a lot of troubles. 

jill_chen
Autodesk

Thanks all for the feedback!

@ViviNyehuusAndersen Could you explain a little bit on why "creating a shared nested family is not the bets way around this"? and do you mean you would like to support the "Maintain Annotation Orientation" on additional categories, and you may don't use the annotation in nest family? and what categories do you use most for "Maintain Annotation Orientation"? Thanks again!

casquatch
Collaborator

I just don't see why it is necessary to do the workaround for showing an annotation for an object. I can give you a couple of examples where we are forced to use a nested shared component and how it causes issues/ more work.

 

For our Thermostats, Humanists, mechanical sensors, etc. we use the Mechanical Equipment category. But because the mech equipment category doesn't have the maintain anno orientation option, we have to use the workaround to show the annotation symbol for them.

 

As mentioned before, ceiling based items like light fixtures or sprinklers might be on a sloped ceiling. The annotation symbol doesn't show up and instead the 3D element shows. This can become confusing and cause coordination issues.

 

For site lighting or any exterior lighting that we might want to show on a site plan, we are also forced to use this workaround. Site plans are typically scaled down much more than 1/8" = 1'-0", which means any dimensionally accurate light fixture would be way too tiny on that plan. So we use the workaround to make sure they show up and are visible at smaller scales.

 

Because the workaround requires the nested families to be Shared, those families then appear in the projects/templates. I try and name them in a way that they will not be used for actual design, but sometimes they do get used and confusion ensues. 

 

Also, because the nested elements are also being placed as a shared component, they show up in schedules. For all families that I create this way, I apply a specific value within their Type Comments, then I setup our standard schedules to filter that out. There are times where folks will remove these filters and then have issues with the extra line items within their schedules. 

 

Finally, with electrical items, mostly lighting fixtures, it can be difficult to connect and power the proper fixture when you are also dealing with the nested shared items. 

 

All of this work could easily be avoided if we could just toggle on the box for Maintain Annotation Orientation for any/all categories. Let us make the decision if something should show as it's annotation or not. We're big boys and girls, we can deal with the consequences :cara_guiñando_un_ojo:

tamas.deri
Advocate

Come on Autodesk! Why do your customers need to beg for such a straightforward improvement that would help thousands of customers? Its going on for !5! years! Nonsense

Martin__Schmid
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Accepted

Hi all - thanks for your input... we're marking this request as 'Accepted'.  Feel free to request access to our preview release to see additional info and track progress of this request.  We'd love to get your input on the in-progress work.  Just drop an email to revit dot preview dot access at autodesk dot com

El estado se ha cambiado a: Implemented

We are pleased to say that this has been implemented in Revit 2022!

 

-The Factory

gsucci
Collaborator

Hello,

I am testing this feature in 2022, but the generic annotation still it's not showing after setting its parameter "Maintain Annotation Orientation" to Yes, for instances of the family placed on a slanted ceiling.

 

The annotation shows on a flat ceiling...

 

Snag_cadc11.png

 

Thank you...

yuan.yao
Alumni

Hi, @gsucci, could you elaborate more how you created the model? I'm not seeing the same issue on lighting fixture on Revit 2022, maybe some details are missing. 

gsucci
Collaborator

Yuan,

 

I used the Revit sample residential project, and created a slanted ceiling.

 

The light fixtures are default recessed cans. I only added a random generic annotation within them.

 

Are you able to display (in RCP) a generic annotations nested into a light fixture hosted on a slanted ceiling?

 

Thank you

 

regards

 

gio

yuan.yao
Alumni

Hi, @gsucci , check this model LightingFixture.rvt. The letter L does display on Ceiling Level 1.

Would you mind to share a simple sample model? I may look into it. 

gsucci
Collaborator

Thank you Yuan

your sample works, my attempt still does not.

 

See this project...

 

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AuLoUZEYphbnhZJnIklEJCZKhgagYg?e=8kYfIu

 

Regards

 

Gio

yuan.yao
Alumni

@gsucci  Thanks for sharing. I looked into the sample and have no idea yet why this family is special. I'd explore more. 

 

In the improvement we have extended the existing behavior into additional categories. You may try out some other lighting fixture families and see if those work. In my experience, the face-based and workplane-based families work well. 

yuan.yao
Alumni

@gsucci Hi, just some "new" information I found in Revit Help, it looks only the "face hosted-based, and for work plane-based families with Always Vertical disabled" are supported. So ceiling based family is out of scope. 

Tarek_K
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Gathering Support
 
Tarek_K
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Implemented
 
ks2_wmb
Advocate

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