CONTROL VISIBILITY OF WALL SWEEPS IN PLAN VIEWS!!

[Anonymous]

This is another huge pain and I can't believe it hasn't been fixed yet after all these years. Wall types can host wall sweeps. Such as base, chair and ceiling moldings / cornices. Great for internal perspectives & sections, but horrible for when trying to hide in plan views. Now there seems to be a checkbox inside the Visibility graphics to turn off wall sweeps as an override. Problem is, it doesn't work!

The only way to sort of get some control on the visibility of the sweeps, is to play around with the View Range. In some cases, it works, but in others, objects get hidden that you need to be shown.

[tlagardeAJBTA]

Nothing new ? Well that sucks

[tlagardeAJBTA]

The status is accepted but was it implemented ? I don't know the difference

[kimberly_fuhrman-jones]

@tlagardeAJBTA ,

"Accepted" means this feature is currently in development.

"Implemented" means it has been released into the software.

[jbramsmiller]

@kimberly_fuhrman-jones thanks for clarifying!!

[tlagardeAJBTA]

Okay, so we're still waiting, it's clear now

[sean_kaneCRXJ4]

@GrantBIM I have tried using filters to hide wall sweeps, but I do not have the "Wall Sweeps" subcategory available in the filters. In fact I am not seeing any subcategories under "Walls". How were you able to see wall sweeps as a subcategory?

[GrantBIM]

@sean_kaneCRXJ4

I am not sure when this was introduced, but 2023 and 2024 both have the option in the Filters.  So maybe it was included as a way to alleviate the issue?  Or perhaps you are on LT version?   

I would be curious how to overcome this in the absence of the above if you find a way.  

It's hard to fathom why these elements can't just have a function to hide in plan view.  From a layman's perspective, it would appear easy enough program in but seems to be taking years to achieve.

Goodluck!

[ftidmore]

Has anyone found a work around for this? I have a wall with an integral sweep that I need to hide in floor plan views. Using VG Filters is not alleviating the issue either. 

UPDATE: Using the "Has Length" Parameter worked.

-Frank

[PatrickGSR94]

@ftidmoreI just discovered this as well.  At least in 2023 onwards, the Wall Sweeps can be controlled by a filter using Length Is Greater Than 0'-0", or just Length: Has A Value.  Very nice.

[PatrickGSR94]

So I actually couldn't make it work to hide only interior baseboards, but not hide the exterior wall brick wainscot.  I tried making the filter only include sweeps of a certain material (the material of my baseboard sweep in the wall type).  But that doesn't seem to pick up sweeps in the wall type.  It works with the Length parameter, but that ends up controlling ALL sweeps.

[GrantBIM]

@PatrickGSR94 I haven't given this a go, but does adding in a type mark (or any individual identity marker) as part of the filter parameters work?

[FAZIOGREG]

Okay...  so since Autodesk isn't planning to fix this, I've got a workaround that's [almost] solved my personal problems with the sweep visibility.  Hopefully it works for you too.

In my case, we're an Architecture and Interior Design firm, and while I wouldn't ever graphically represent the base trim at a wall in plan [because I don't want the contractor to add an extra layer of drywall on every wall....], the Interior Designers insist on having the base trim sweep imbedded in the wall type.  As you all know by now, there's no way to hide that sweep that doesn't cause issues somewhere else.  So, here's my workaround...

In the V/G [or in the View Template if that's your thing], override the Projection Lines and make them either your thinnest lineweight and/or change the color to something lighter or even white.  Then, you can hide the surface patterns as well if you're trying to really make them disappear.  That will still hide your floor patterns if you have them.  If that bugs you, try playing around with the surface transparency, but it seems to me that when you do, for some reason, you also lose your cut patterns.  If you can figure out that last piece, let me know!

The downside to this is, if you have a partial height wall, it's going to read very thinly in plan, or it's not going to show up at all if you made it white...  For us, we run across this much less often than we want to hide base trim, so I don't mind using the linework tool to make the pony walls read a little heavier.

UPDATE:  I should have read what @ftidmore said before I did my thing!!!!!  That worked.  Created a filter based on a sweep having a length greater than 0", and it worked!

@FAZIOGREG - this post has been edited due to Community Rules & Etiquette violation.

[PatrickGSR94]

@FAZIOGREGI think that will have the same issues that I mentioned when trying to use filters to hide sweeps.  It will affect ALL sweeps in the view, including things like low brick wainscot sweeps that DO need to show up in plan views.

[FAZIOGREG]

For sure, it will....  but by overriding the appearance rather than making the sweep invisible, there is still the ghost of a line.  you can then use the linework tool to override those white lines into whatever you want them to show up as, similar to the pony wall issue.  

In my case, it's less work to go in and "unhide" the desired sweeps than to hide the undesired ones...  I guess this one still remains unsolved....

[jessie]

Im still having an issue with this, there should be a VG to turn off sweeps or profiles, plans get very mesy - has it been fixed autodesk... i cant see it

[vincentLOLA]

Still having this issue today. Has there been any update I am overlooking? 

[GrantBIM]

@PatrickGSR94 |
Did you, or anyone else for that matter, try adding a Type mark to the filter to exclude certain types of sweeps while allowing the others to remain visible?  i can't see why this wouldn't work?

[ftidmore]

@GrantBIM @vincentLOLA 

I have found that the only way I could control this was with a filter in the VG settings.

Below is a screenshot of the filter I made that worked. 

[PatrickGSR94]

@GrantBIM can't add Type marks to wall sweeps in wall types.  And I need to be able control different sweeps in the same wall type separately, like having a brick wainscot visible, but a baseboard sweep in the wall type turned off.

@ftidmore will that allow individual control of wall sweeps in a wall type?  Wall type sweeps can't have an Assembly Code assigned to them, so that doesn't really help.

[ftidmore]

@PatrickGSR94 

I can tell you definitively that there is no way to do what you are trying to do unfortunately. Line weight adjustment is the only way to do it. Otherwise, you will only be able to hide all of the sweeps. I recommend created a wall hosted generic model if you have a large project that needs that showing but cant spare the man hours... It may be able to work.