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Allow grouping of structural frame elements modified with connections

Allow grouping of structural frame elements modified with connections

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Revit 2019 has new integrated structural connection functionalities, however the implementation of those raised the limitation, that it is not possible anymore to create an assembly or a model group of structural frame elements modified with steel features, such as cut, weld, bolt, connection...

 

 

More information documented about this limitation in the Revit Help: 

https://help-staging.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2019/ENU/?guid=GUID-19A4C068-F7A1-415F-A991-0EFF73DD6819

 

Please, allow grouping of structural frame elements modified with connections in future Revit releases.

8 Comments
ipselute
Advisor

I believe steel elements modified with connections are meant for fabrication purposes. Therefore the steel elements should be grouped in sub-assemblies (=main I,H profile+all stiffeners, gussets, plates, etc) and assemblies(=several sub-assemblies staged together). And only afterwards you should group similar assemblies or give them similar codenames. At such late stage of the design process (connection detailing) it makes little sense to group/select just frame elements without their stiffeners, baseplates, gusset plates, etc.

YarUnderoaker
Collaborator

Yes, we need assemblies for steel elements.  But due to structural connections nature it will have limitations - no moving, no copying, no type selection. Only views isolation and automatic instance comparing.

 

 ipselute you propose hierarhical assemblies. I think it is more global separate idea.

 

ipselute
Advisor

@YarUnderoaker: Why bother copying individual elements, when you could copy entire (sub)assemblies much faster? It would be easier for the software, the computing time would decrease dramatically. Plus, assemblies should be created erection-wise. Assemblies should be as easy to transport and manipulate as possible. In many cases, assemblies are created by several specialized subcontractors. You absolutely need to control what assembly goes to what place, at what time, in what sequence. Mounting phases determines transportation and erection times. Every assembly must be time-scheduled in a gantt chart.

Rab_i
Advocate

 @ipselute I totally agree with you. I am not sure if this limitation is temporary or not. It makes perfect sense for including the connection details in an assembly. And I am surprised Revit 2019 limited this ability. Please update us to show road map for this feature. Learning Advanced Steel when we are so close to use assemblies doesn't make sense.

Geoffrey.Jennings
Participant

In the spirit of bi-directional communication with Advance Steel and creating the ability to have Revit sub-assemblies of steel connections and main-assemblies, please ensure that part marking from AS to Revit also transfers with each model update.   

It is necessary for AEC design coordination that we can create framing assemblies and include steel connections to improve quality of interdiscipline model reviews.

Rab_i
Advocate

@Geoffrey.Jennings  I agree!  A way to define sub-assemblies within a main-assemblies makes it manageable and follows workflows to divide complicated fabrication into smaller manageable pieces. 

KIMRAMFI
Advocate

And this is also preventing bind the link to a new file! Are you kidding me that your new fancy development is blocking me to do something and I have to wish for a fix? Seriously? 

SeanSpence
Advocate

I just went to try assemblies again after many years, to create a set of shop dwgs for a very small project... can't even see the holes in the assembly parts created by the steel connections. What a Joke!


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