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3D Perspective Modeling

3D Perspective Modeling

Every year I hold out hope that we might see an improvement to 3D perspective modeling. There are some requests in the Idea board and then a handful of people replying that Revit has perspective modeling. It does not. The "camera" solution provided is a incomprehensibly flawed. We just saw the release of 2020 and there is still no way to fly through the building to a connection of a wall to a ceiling and edit the extents of either to accomplish the desired design. You could set up a camera, angle it just right, sort of pan - but not too far or you are flung 20 miles outside your model. Or you could try to do it in an orthogonal view and crop a box to the right place - but you can't really tell until you change the crop box it is in the right place. ArchiCAD has had perspective modeling for years.

 

We design 3D architecture for our 3D reality - we need to be able to see it and manipulate it in 3D. If you are an old-school drafter that says we don't need 3D, I am sorry, but you are just wrong. Buildings are no longer designed as 2D elevation compositions. They haven't been for a long time. As an industry we probably spend millions on the inefficiency of navigating around this software issue. 

 

We use enscape now so that we can fly through buildings and see where the geometry doesn't pan out - in ways that you can't see in a revit view. Even if you did create a view to see one specific condition - setting up a view takes way more time than flying through a model. With enscape now, we can take down places that have issues and then go BACK to Revit to correct it. But this is an extremely inefficient work-around.

 

Please don't ignore this. The recent effort to tie-together various Autodesk platforms is worthless if designers can't design. Design should not be beholden to the tools we are forced to use by industry monopoly. Please assign a team to this for the 2021 release. Please please please. 

6 Comments
Anonymous
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Well, we just got the ability to modify anything in perspective recently.  You couldn't apply a material or change an object to something else before.   I do admit I miss the WASD controls that AC has as well as Enscape and other rendering programs, the Navigation wheel drives me insane.  Although the architect I worked for loved the mini-map vs the gaming method to look around.

 

Something you might be interested in is Xrev's freebie suite which includes View Box where whatever you select in a plan view is what will show in 3D...it was created by an AC user.  Would help you isolate those areas without trying to get the section box to go exactly where you want.

boyce_postma
Enthusiast

Thanks for the comment MP.

 

I just experimented more with editing objects in the camera "perspective" mode. I guess the point is not that you can "do it" now, it is that the tool is so poorly developed that no one would want to. If you want to edit the shape of anything not on the ground plane, the extents of that shape are located on the plane it is hosted to. Then you try and move your view to see the extents and you fly through the ceiling above. Now I want to turn my head - now I am outside my building a mile away. The functionality is garbage. WASD could help,  it's one option, but it is not necessary - you can get around very easily in SKP without it. It doesn't need to  be sketchup or enscape, but it needs to be improved. 

 

I could be wrong about Xrev, but it looks like it is just a tool to simplify orthogonal view creation. Could be useful.

 

Thanks for taking the time to respond! 

pieter1
Advisor

I agree with your complaint, but there already ideas out there that talk about this. Consider adding your votes to them. And perhaps more importantly, add your comments to them, the developers actually look at them.

 

Better perspective navigation

- Fly-through mode

Orbit around mouse

Field of View controls

 

 

boyce_postma
Enthusiast

@pieter1 Thanks for the references. I tried searching for perspective navigation in the idea board, but none of them seem to really express the level of frustration that many of us feel - how important it is - how bad the existing tools are. The few places that staff do chime in are several years old. Autodesk needs a reminder that this is important - the year is nearly 2020! There has been almost no innovation in 3D navigation in Revit. Other platforms have had it for years.

pieter1
Advisor

@boyce_postma  Yes there is a lot of room for improvement.

 

If you want to do more and want to volunteer some of your time, you should consider joining the beta program so you can provide feedback directly to developers:  https://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2018/01/how-to-get-involved-in-autodesk-beta-testing.ht...

 

Also, I read that you'd like to see better graphical quality in your 3d views (100% agree btw). Consider voting up this idea if you agree:  https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/correct-colors/idi-p/7711993

 

boyce_postma
Enthusiast

Thanks @pieter1 @ I will sign up for the beta. And I upvoted the graphical quality suggestion!

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