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Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

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LOESCH_PK
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Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

I know this is a common problem, but maybe there is a simple and intelligent workaround already. 

In an embedded schedule the windows are assigned to the room that their exterior side is facing. Before captain obvious writes me that you only have to enable room calculating point - I've tried, and no amount of flipping or draging the whole arrow into the interior helped. Unless someone provieds me with a family that has this set properly I will not belive that this works.

I am aware that I could nest a window family in a window family and flip it, but let's have some self respect. I shall not put extra work because of an incompetent program bug.

Any suggestions? I am using Revit 2017.

PS. Bugs like this should be punished with flogging. :leicht_lächelndes_Gesicht: 

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: LOESCH_PK

It sounds like anyone giving you a wrong answer would be welcomed with a slap on the face. Yes? I will give it a try when I get to the office.
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LOESCH_PK
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

Well I always do quite some searching and trail-and-error troubleshooting to resolve my problems before I ask some question, so I hate "Have you tried turning it off and on again" solutions. Sorry for my tone but I'm pretty fluent with Revit and utilize it pretty fully, so when I run into problems like not being able to do basical architectural stuff like scheduling wall types with all their layers, or Left/Right doors (which both by the way I had to do in Dynamo by myself) in a ridiculously expensive program I get a tad frustrated. 

I promise not to be tu brutal for any suggestions, though I wouldn't have no mercy if I met someone responsible for implementing this in Revit.

The development of Revit sometimes looks like an early access game: New features constantly and ignoraing things people just want fixed.

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Sahay_R
als Antwort auf: LOESCH_PK

At the risk of being slapped - 

Here is what I started with - 

Plan.PNG

The original Schedule

Sched 1.PNG

 

The schedule after Room Calculation point was flipped

Sched 2.PNG

 

File attached with flipped room calculation points in  window families

 


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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: LOESCH_PK


@LOESCH_PK wrote:

Unless someone provieds me with a family that has this set properly I will not belive that this works.


Out of curiosity, did @Sahay_R make you a believer?  

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: LOESCH_PK

Edit: not resolved

 

Nearly identical topic.

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Alfredo_Medina
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Just a comment: the example provided by @Sahay_R is a Windows Schedule. The user is asking about a Room Schedule with an embedded Window Schedule.


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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: Alfredo_Medina

oops. Verlegener Smiley

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: LOESCH_PK

@LOESCH_PK

 

Unfortunately, the only solution I have found (without having to alter the actual geometry of the family) is nesting the original window family to another window family and flip side.  I think it is the least labor intensive workaround.

 

But I do have a small amount of self respect left so I am not going to suggest what you already know to you.

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Sahay_R
als Antwort auf: Alfredo_Medina

@Alfredo_Medina. Such cynicism.

Tsk tsk.

 

Plan.PNG

Schedule before flipping RCP

 

Capture.PNG

 

 

 

Schedule after flipping RCP

Capture1.PNG


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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: Sahay_R

@Sahay_R

 

Where are the windows #3 and #6 in your Room schedule?

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

C'mon @ToanDN, those are "Outside" windows; clearly @Sahay_R is scheduling "Inside" windows.  Smiley (zwinkernd)

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Sahay_R
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

When I flip W3 and W6, then the RCP arrow points into the room and the Room Schedule is appropriately populated

Capture.PNG

 

 


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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: Sahay_R

Edit:  I typed while you posed another one so I am highlighting the important part below.

 

@Sahay_R

 

You can create a Window schedule and change the From Room / To Room for these two windows.  I guarantee they still don't show up in the Room schedule.  The only way to put them in the Rooms is use the flip arrow but that makes the windows facing the wrong side, so water from the rain may get in the room, you know.

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Sahay_R
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

True. Just wanted to show you where the missing windows were hiding Smiley (überglücklich)


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LOESCH_PK
als Antwort auf: LOESCH_PK

OK, no slapping today, cause I am glad to say, that the problem has been resolved! Though I had to approach it in a slightly different way.

rsahayUZMK9 didn't give a direct answer, but guided me towards it. Making a room schedule with embeded windows didn't work, since I couldn't use the "To room" field in the room schedule, only in the embeded one, which made a mess.

Instead I made a windows schedule which was sorted by apartment number (custom parameter) room name and area, which pretty much gave me the effect that I wanted initially. Now I can chceck if the window glass to room area ratio is proper. Also the room calculation point works as expected with the to/from room fields.

The problem was finding these fields, since they are hidden in a drop-down menu in the "Fields" part of the schedule creation window.

Zrzut ekranu 2017-10-13 11.00.12.png

So as I mentioned, in this case don't use room with embedded schedule, but a schedule of what you wanted to use as embedded, and sort by added to/from room field!

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Sahay_R
als Antwort auf: LOESCH_PK

(TAKES A BOW)


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Alfredo_Medina
als Antwort auf: LOESCH_PK

Ok, the story that started as "a bug" had a happy ending.

 

I still don't understand the comment in post # 10 above, though. ( ? )


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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: LOESCH_PK

@LOESCH_PK

Good.
I bet you didn't watch the screencast in the link in post #5.
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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

@LOESCH_PK: So, @Sahay_R's original suggestion didn't work for you; Why? I don't get what you did differently, other than adding more fields from those already available? 

 

@ToanDN: I watched it. Smiley (zwinkernd)  

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