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When will Revit be developed for designers?

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Anonymous
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When will Revit be developed for designers?

I’ve been working for a while for a 200+ size firm based in L.A., New York, London and Hong Kong. The US offices are all Revit based while the international offices use Archicad. The use of different platforms is due to a recent merger, between the US and international firms. Each firm obviously continued using its own software, which hasn’t been a problem yet, since all offices are still working on pre-merger projects. However, you can foresee that having multiple platforms across multiple offices will have its share of challenges once we start collaborating on projects over multiple offices. It’s a no brainer to eventually move to all offices to one BIM platform and being an avid Revit user myself I’m obviously biased and would side on implementing Revit throughout the whole firm. However, the offices in London and Hong Kong have their own compelling arguments to stay with Archicad. Everyone regardless of their job description (architects, BIM managers or technologist) use Archicad for design and documentation. We on the other hand, use Rhino/Grasshopper as a design tool for most projects but also for documentations of complex structures and Revit for general documentation. The use of Rhino for design and Revit for documentation is pretty much the standard workflow in most Revit based firms, due the lack of design tools in Revit and the huge limitation of modeling tools. While most firms including ourselves, have worked out a workflow between these different software, it would be ideal to also have design tools within Revit which will be extremely effective and efficient between the design and documentations team. This concept of a one-stop-design to documentation process is already the reality at the London and Hong Kong office with the use of Archicad.

 

Does anyone have any insight if Autodesk will ever develop tools (within Revit or in a separate package) that will be 100% dedicated to the design process of architecture? I’m not talking about FormIt that is still extremely limited and lightweight for most architectural design work, nor I’m I talking about Dynamo that looks promising, but still doesn’t has a tenth of the design and analysis tools like Grasshopper. As a matter of fact, apart from the countless case studies, labs, classes shown at AU where a large position of the work is done in Rhino, Autodesk recently launch an ad where the Autodesk Pavilion was fully design and documented in Rhino and Grasshopper while it supposed to be showcasing the use of Autodesk Architectural products like Revit and Dynamo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6qVowrg4Oo. It comes a bit across like Apple who presents the newest updates of the App store at the WWDC, but shows during the presentation slides and clips of Google Play store to download apps, cause 99% of apps aren’t available in the App Store.

 

Autodesk already have experience in developing such tools like Fusion and Inventor that enables you to design everything you can imagine in an extremely efficient way and document and fabricate it all. In one package. These tools all have freeform nurbs modelling tools, solid modelling tools, mesh modeling tools, parametric modelling etc, but at the same token can knock out perfect drawings and schedule all parts at the same time. If Autodesk have proven to develop tools and the competition has already done in for architecture. What is keeping Autodesk form developing such tools?

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Alfredo_Medina
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You are making very good points. Yes, sometimes I wish that I didn't have to include models from other source in my Revit models. But, the reality is that at the moment, Revit is the base platform for making the set of construction documents for a project, but conceptual design is done using other methods or other applications, and models of other objects that are not buildings are being modeled in other applications as well. All this creates challenges and difficulties when we need to integrate all these things into a Revit model, for documentation and coordination.

 

I doubt that we will ever see a super application that does everything. Not because it is not technically possible, but because it would be a product that may not be financially successful. First, consider that Autodesk has many products, so it doesn't make sense for them to make a super application that competes against their own products. Second, consider that a super application would be not affordable for the majority of consumers, and it would be too complex to use, and to difficult for the company to sell; consumers will always prefer something that is more affordable and more user friendly. 


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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: Alfredo_Medina

Autodesk has a large portfolio of high end modelling tools like Maya, 3ds max, Fusion, Inventor, Alias etc. It is therefore inconceivable how Autodesk hasn't done anything to develop Revit's modelling tools to be at least on par like the other products in their portfolio. Autodesk argument is always the same, that you can't have flexible tools in a BIM application, which is a contradiction considering that Inventor, the BIM solution for fabrication, does have the best of both worlds. Looking outside of Autodesk, Archicad, Vectorworks and even Digital Project got high end flexible and organic modelling tools while maintaining BIM integrity. And if it's all too difficult for Autodesk to enhance Revit modelling tools beyond the basic extrusion, revolve, blend, sweep. swept-blend, why not create a separate general modeler for Architects? Again, if they own, Fusion, Inventor, 3ds max, Maya Alias, how difficult can it be the create a lightweight rhino-like tool for architects? FormIt could have been the answer, but unfortunately FormIt is limited towards being a push pull solution for orthogonal shapes which already can be done in Revit. Speaking of a waste of valuable resources.

 

In conclusion, unlike the mechanical and automotive industry where Autodesk spends a huge amount of resources on the design side, Unfortunately, for the AEC industry Autodesk prefers to focus only on documentation and therefore architects need to rely on non-Autodesk products like SketchUp and Rhino and rely on disruptive workflows between different packages.

 

 

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

I totally agree with what you've said. But the problem is not limited to developers side alone. The design process involved in architecture is time-consuming unlike other small scale product oriented design streams and hence, change of software would drastically affect the design development and implementation. It becomes difficult for the users (architects) to shift to new tools and some cases even updates in UI are becoming an issue in some firms (extreme case). That's a common option. Yes, Dynamo is very promising and integration in Revit itself is a great opportunity for architectural designers. I believe that we are struggling to adopt and exercise our skill at the backend like we have in visual programming which would be an added advantage for Autodesk to develop such Softwares. That could be one reason why they are working on Revit itself and I hope they would slowly integrate tools that you've mentioned. 

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