Walls won't join at a specific angle

[andrea.grillo]

I'm having a problem joining this (in screenshoot) 40 cm wall (even generic wall) at an angle of around 150 degrees, no matter the wall construction line (exterior, centerline or interior) and the behavior set for resolving angles.

I always get an error saying that it's impossible to keep the elemets joined.

But I don't get the error at less than 150 degrees or more than 150.

I'm also able to clear that angle with a thinner wall.

What could be the cause of the issue? I'm not yet a pro on Revit and, often, get stuck in the quirk of the program.

I'll attach a screenshoot of the wall I'm trying to create, you'll be able to see a .dwg I attached in the background, being it the plane I'm trying to recreate in Revit, and the angle betweet the walls I'm not able to join. (ignore that column)

Thanks in advance to all that can help.

[barthbradley]

---

@andrea.grillo wrote:

But I don't get the error at less than 150 degrees or more than 150.

I'm also able to clear that angle with a thinner wall.

What could be the cause of the issue? I'm not yet a pro on Revit and, often, get stuck in the quirk of the program.

---

Sometimes sh*t happens like this.  What about a miter join between walls? Use the Wall Join Tool on the Modify Tab to access different join conditions.  

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2018/ENU/Revit-M...

[andrea.grillo]

I've started doing tests on a clean project file.

The error appears only when the walls between the angle are shorter than a certain amount. I'll make a collage of the different situations.

And yes, I've tested all options for wall join.

Also, when using stratified walls, the distances at wich the error appear are greater.

I'm sure I'm missing something either in the join options or in the layers of the wall, since something similare happened to me with joining stairs, and was able to solve it by changing the thickness of the structure.

But in this case I've alred tested everything I know.

[barthbradley]

I'm not sure what you are looking for from us.  Sounds like you've found a way to make it work. 

[andrea.grillo]

Erm... In the project the wall needs to be shorter. I can't make a longer wall, I'm working in an alredy existing building. I need a wall 40 cm thick that follows that angle for that distance.


So I didn't find a solution yet. The program still refuses to create the wall I need. It doens't look like an impossible wall to make, so there must be something wrong with either the settings or the software, and I'm all out of options to try.

[David_Knight]

Short segmented walls with end join conditions disabled.  Then manually join them perhaps.

[andrea.grillo]

I don't think I've tried this.

I'll try and let you know ASAP.

[barthbradley]

---

@andrea.grillo wrote:
Erm... In the project the wall needs to be shorter. I can't make a longer wall, I'm working in an alredy existing building. I need a wall 40 cm thick that follows that angle for that distance.


So I didn't find a solution yet. The program still refuses to create the wall I need. It doens't look like an impossible wall to make, so there must be something wrong with either the settings or the software, and I'm all out of options to try.

---

Well then, post the File and let me see what I would do. 

[andrea.grillo]

Thank you, here's a file that has the DWG i need to follow alredy loaded in.

The wall giving me troubles is the one in the lower left. The wall is 40cm thick.

If you need any added information, let me know.

Thanks again!

[andrea.grillo]

Well, let's say it KINDA works for the generic wall.

But you can clearly see that the layered wall is not drawn correctly. The problem appears to be with the insulating layer.

Do I need to download the english language pack and show you the settings of the wall?

EDIT: I'll just do it right away. I've posted a picture of the wall settings using the US language pack, probably it'll be easier to understand than italian 😅.

[barthbradley]

Well, if all else fails, you can always Model the Wall as an In-Place Component.  

[andrea.grillo]

I'll check how it works with the layered wall, becase I'm sure I'll need to show that in the drawing at the end.

Tomorrow morning I'll keep working on it, maybe one of these ideas will be the final solution to my troubles 😅.

Thanks!

[barthbradley]

...or you can sandwich a bunch of walls together and join them to remove the edges.  

[David_Knight · Accepted solution]

My attempt:

1) Turn off wall joins at end of wall.

2) touch corners on outside face.

3) create a model-in-place component with voids that cut the ends off each wall.

4) manually join each wall segment with the join tool.

[andrea.grillo]

@David_Knight @barthbradley 

Thanks for the replies! The last one looks like the most consistent solution visually, even if it's a bit of work to make it look good. Just a quirk of the software I guess, but that can be solved when you have the experience with it to find more "creative" solutions.

Something I would've never came up by myself.

I'll mark the last post as the solution, even if it's just partial (since it doesn't directly solve the bug in the software) yet functional, but any other suggestion would've been on a similar level.

Thanks!

Just a quick question: Would this solution work if I had the LT version of Revit?

[ToanDN]

You can model each layer as a wall for that tight condition and join them.

[barthbradley]

FWIW: I didn't show you @David_Knight approach above. What I showed you was the thick wall divided into 4 thinner walls - and then all the walls are joined together as one via Join Geometry.  This removes the visible linework between each wall.  I had no problem using several thin Basic Walls with Auto-Join enabled.  In fact, I think you said, at the onset, that you had already discovered this workaround.  

Lastly, my first screenshot shows how you could get there as well by modeling all the envelope in an In-Place Modeling environment using an Extrusion and Pick Line tool.   

[barthbradley]

Oh, I forget to mention that I placed the first chain of thin walls at the exterior side using Pick Lines tool - and then I OFFSET COPIED the remaining Walls in the build up.