Wall Won't Close Correctly

Wall Won't Close Correctly

PhilvK
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Wall Won't Close Correctly

PhilvK
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I created a Veneer Stone wall type with a stone cap sweep (#2 below) so I could wrap that type around a low 8” cmu wall (#1 below). I want the cmu wall and the bottom of the sweep (cap) to be 3’-4” above 0’-0”. My problem is that once I set the bottom of the cap to be at 3’-4”, the corners of the wall do not close correctly. The 1st image below for instance shows the bottom of the cap at 4’-0”, and everything is fine. When I lower it to 3’-4” the corners go awry as shown in the second image. Could someone please tell me where I should look to correct this? I attached the file if someone has the time to look at it. Thanks!

Pier 1.jpg

Pier 2.jpg

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Eduardo2012
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You can also use a wall sweep. Make your stone wall simple and add the cap with the sweep tool (in case you only need a couple --- not hundreds!!)

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chrisplyler
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Is the sweep defined in the wall structure as 0" from Top? I'm curious what happens if you set it up a couple of inches lower than the top, with the wall up to 4'? Up to 3'-4"? What happens if you offset the sweep in our out a bit?

 

Also, I don't know if this will make any difference or not, but check the joins on the four wall corners. Set them to miter. See if that changes anything.

 

What happens with the sweep at 3'-4", but the CMU at only 2'-8"?

 

You aren't joining anything to the CMU, right?

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PhilvK
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I do have the wall sweep integral with the wall type, and set at 0’-0” from the top, i.e, the sweep sits on top of the wall. See 1st image below. When I set the sweep to be -2.5” from the top I get the message “Could not create wall sweep for wall instance. Failed to cut wall”.

 

I looked at disallowing joins and miters vs. butt, but I can’t tell if I am doing it right, and don’t really yet understand the difference. I did notice that on #2 on the second image below, that when I changed a corner from miter to butt, it messed up the corner. (I am looking up tutorials for miter and butt joining but haven’t gotten there yet).

 

With respect to the second image below: All three of these instances uses the same wall type for the veneer stone, and all three have their top of wall at level height 3’-4”.

- #1 is a longer version of my pier and is working fine.

- #2 is a shorter version from a separate file that I pasted into this drawing. It looks good, but when I move it, the corners go askew like #3.

- #3 is a copy of #2 after it’s been moved. Also in #3, when I check the corner join, the butt and miter are grayed out. I don’t know why, yet.

 

I think I may have go to a separate wall sweep as suggested by Eduardo above, but I would relay like to understand why some of my integral wall types work and others don’t.

 

Sweep Location.jpg

 

Miter.jpg

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chrisplyler
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Wierd. I cannot reproduce your problem in Revit 2015, Build: 20150127_0715(x64). That's Update Release 6.

 

I've even reduced the wall rectangle down to 6"x6" clean inside and no problems. Pretty sure I've used all the same type settings and sweep settings as you, except for using concrete and brick in lieu of stucco and stone. I did not even mess with the default butt join conditions or anything. I did have to disallow join on both ends of the CMU wall to keep its edge lines from disappearing against the inner layer of the surrounding wall, but either way it didn't effect the cap sweep.

 

Ignore the 1/2" GAP. I went back and aligned the outside walls' interior edges with the CMU, and forgot to delete the note before I did the screen grab.

 

 

CAPWRAP.jpg

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chrisplyler
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AHA!

 

If I set any end of the capped walls to Disallow Join, the associated corner breaks. Duh, I guess. So make sure both ends of each of the four wall segments are all set to allow join.

 

Well, now that I think about it, this probably is not the problem, or it wouldn't join in your longer version either. But at least check.

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chrisplyler
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On #3 in your picture (the broken one) what happens if you drag the ends of the wall away from each other and then use the Trim/Extend to Corner tool on them?

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