Wall not cutting Beam and Column

shefypattambi
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Wall not cutting Beam and Column

shefypattambi
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Hello,

I have a small doubt, From the picture;

1) is it possible to deduct  the hieght of wall from depth of beam ?Untitled.jpg

2) is it possible to cut the wall in between the column automatically ?

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RDAOU
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@shefypattambi

 

Switch the walls to structural

  • Select Walls >> Properties Palette >> Under section Structural >> tick the Structural Check box

 

When you do walls will cut the beams/columns automatically

  • Go to Modify tab
  • Under Geometry >> Join >> Select Switch Join Order

Once done

  • Select walls again >> Properties Palette >> Untick Structural check box

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shefypattambi
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Hello RDAOU,

I tired like that , but it is not working...can you please show that in a
screen cast?
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RDAOU
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@shefypattambi

 

See screencast below

 

 If this answers the above question kindly accept solution

 

(PS: note that this cut/join behavior applies to concrete structural elements)

 

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shefypattambi
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Hii.. now it is working..but when the width of beam is equal to width of wall (say 200mm) the program is getting crashing as shown in the pic. The same hapening when breadth of colum is equal to width of wall.

 

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RDAOU
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@shefypattambi

 

I am not sure why it is crashing on your end. It doesn't crash here...I tried several times they seem to be joining fine even when the b = Wall!! see screencast below..

 

it does give a warning for beam stating that "one element in fully enclosed in another" but that is normal since beam has same width as the wall... switching join order resolves it but no crash occurred so I am not sure what is happening on your side.

 

you can try keep beams 1mm > than the wall see if it helps (rvt file is also attached for you to check)...

 

I am sorry I have no further advice on this topic.., you have to keep on trying it till you figure where the fault is ... I am unable to get it to crash here

 

If any of the above helped you in anyway kindly mark as solution

 

 

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Hello RDAOU, Thanking you for your time and help..I hope developers will look into this matter..anyway what will be your suggestion adjusting wall an beam, wall and column in a real project? I think selecting each and every column like this and correcting them in this way would be a tedious task.... 1) one more doubt..is it possible to get a correct wall schedule by deducting the beam depth from wall height using formula field in the schedule?
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@shefypattambi

 

It depends on how the project is/was being modeled the first place... The option to join them is there but that doesn't imply that projects should be modeled arbitrarily and then when it comes to structural modeling the engineer has to fix everything!!! if that is the case then you have an issue on your team

 

Revit offers tools and options which a user can use to how it best fits the situation but unfortunately 90% of Revit  users believe that Revit has to think and model on their behalf...

 

The architect should know or at least be aware what the engineer needs and what makes his/her life easier and the opposite is also true...they will need to sit and discuss before either teams start placing walls and floors on the model (it's team work)...then later if some particular cases arise then they can be addressed individually; Revit also provides the tools to fix those; however, if the project is planned well, such cases should be minor. Not a whole project!!!

 

In terms of quantities...well; if you are going to apply the above on the whole project! then NO; the take-off quantities will not be reliable. My personal opinion; one better remodel the whole project properly instead of fixing it all...This is the exact  same case similar to those who complain about floor finishes. Revit does not deduct quantities of floor finishes after one switch the join order of walls/floors. It is true that Revit offers an architectural floor which can host a structural core but who said it is right to model everything using Architectural Floor!!! Same applies to structural wall vs architectural walls

 

Development team (not just Autodesk's) might consider looking into improvements to certain functionality but not when it is "You need to fix Revit because I modeled this Project wrong and neither Revit realized and it let me do it nor did the tools fix what I did wrong"

 

When the time comes that Revit can think on the user's behalf 🙂 one wont need the user anymore!!! would be less headaches

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