wall location line on wrong side

[kgatzke]

Ok, explain this one.

this is the exterior side.

see?

[Lachlan-JWP]

How does it look in plan? The location line will show on the plane of the base constraint so if you have a base offset then look at it in a 3D view it will appear incorrect.

[barthbradley]

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@kgatzke wrote:

Ok, explain this one.

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You have a Slanted Wall.  

[ToanDN]

Your 3d view section box clips view so that not the entire length of the wall is shown. The grips, however, shown as if the wall is full length.

[RDAOU]

@kgatzke 

Those grips are not the Location Line, what you see are the Wall's End Grips ... The location line grips only show at the Wall Base / Level plane. (You wont notice this behavior unless the wall has a base offset or the wall's sketch was modified

You have a wall which you have given an offset from Base...To see the location line in 3D view you need to Zoom out and check the location line grips showing at the base of the wall

See GIF below - recreated a similar case (Watch the grips at the Base Level of the wall)

[kgatzke]

Thanks to everyone who responded.

@barthbradley  No, the wall is not slanted.

@RDAOU  I'm not sure why wall end grips would be on a different line than the location line, but ok.

@ToanDN  I think you're on the right track but those are actually endpoints for the sweep.

Here's what got me off track.  I am tracing the openings in a ceiling to create the vertical sides of soffits.  I started with drawing the horizontal ceiling and punched a bunch of openings.  The walls are meant to go with the interior line (back of wall) to opening so that the wall framing mates with the soffit framing.

When I trace edge (A) using a rectangle Revit starts by putting the wall on the wrong side.  Note that you can see the gyp. bd. layer (EXTERIOR) is on the line I'm supposedly drawing (INTERIOR).

I then hit the space bar to flip the wall to the other side of the location line.  What do you think Revit does?  It still has the EXTERIOR side (gyp. bd. as indicated by arrow B) on THE WRONG SIDE OF THE WALL.

And there you are.  The walls are backwards, even though I had traced the opening edges WITH the location line set to interior.  

If I hit spacebar now the walls do flip on their interior face but that moves them out of place.  I have to select all the walls and change the location line to wall centerline first and then flip them.  It's extra steps I didn't need to take since exterior and interior seem to mean different things when placing the wall vs modifying it afterwards.  Am I wrong?

[RDAOU]

@kgatzke 

Me neither but that is how it is 🙂 anyhow,  your original post said : Explain this... so I thought I would try and explain it.  🙂 for your good self and maybe other visitors to this forum who might be wondering about the same grips

As for flipping...if you need walls to stay put in the same location when flipped, location line must be set to the center of the wall....not an extra step if planned in advance

The interior and exterior are more useful when swapping wall types say (just as an example) along escape routes where you wouldn't want the new wall types to narrow the clear passage...another example applies to the walls of the envelop where one might not be able to increase the footprint.

[ToanDN]

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@kgatzke wrote:

If I hit spacebar now the walls do flip on their interior face but that moves them out of place.  I have to select all the walls and change the location line to wall centerline first and then flip them.  It's extra steps I didn't need to take since exterior and interior seem to mean different things when placing the wall vs modifying it afterwards.  Am I wrong?

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No you are not wrong.  If you want to flip the wall using space bar AND keep it at the same location then you must set the location line to Wall Centerline.

[JasonLLINDNER]

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@RDAOU wrote:

@kgatzke 

Those grips are not the Location Line, what you see are the Wall's End Grips ... The location line grips only show at the Wall Base / Level plane. (You wont notice this behavior unless the wall has a base offset or the wall's sketch was modified

You have a wall which you have given an offset from Base...To see the location line in 3D view you need to Zoom out and check the location line grips showing at the base of the wall

See GIF below - recreated a similar case (Watch the grips at the Base Level of the wall)

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Hey DR

Sorry for intruding but I have a question How do you people know or notice such things?! Revit has a exclusive secrete manual which Autodesk only distribute among themselves?

[kgatzke]

@RDAOU I can't trace an edge if I'm drawing the wall by the centerline. Sure, I can offset, but now I have to find out what half the width of the wall is, hover carefully over an edge, make sure it's going to put the wall on the right side of the edge, trim corners that don't automatically heal - and Revit will still probably reverse the walls.  That's a lot of extra steps! 

I've made an interesting discovery.  Revit doesn't reverse the wall if you do this in a plan view!  It's the upside down reflected ceiling plan view that's causing Revit to flip the wall to the wrong side.  So I guess I should just build soffits on the floor and hoist them into place later on.

[RDAOU]

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@kgatzke wrote:

@RDAOU I can't trace an edge if I'm drawing the wall by the centerline. Sure, I can offset, but now I have to find out what half the width of the wall is, hover carefully over an edge, make sure it's going to put the wall on the right side of the edge, trim corners that don't automatically heal - and Revit will still probably reverse the walls.  That's a lot of extra steps! 

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I guess that is no longer related to the OP and has to do more with your workflow...as stated in the previous reply, each position of the location line has its benefits depending on the situation, the key is to plan ahead and be consistent. If planned well one shouldn't be having much issues at later stages when the change is required; otherwise relying on just the finish face In/Out would require extra steps later ... you can't workaround that. 

[RDAOU]

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@JasonLLINDNER wrote:

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Hey DR

Sorry for intruding but I have a question How do you people know or notice such things?! Revit has a exclusive secrete manual which Autodesk only distribute among themselves?

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I don't know lol, I have nothing to do with Autodesk you have to ask @ToanDN and @barthbradley 

[ToanDN]

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@kgatzke wrote:

@RDAOU I can't trace an edge if I'm drawing the wall by the centerline. Sure, I can offset, but now I have to find out what half the width of the wall is, hover carefully over an edge, make sure it's going to put the wall on the right side of the edge, trim corners that don't automatically heal - and Revit will still probably reverse the walls.  That's a lot of extra steps! 

I've made an interesting discovery.  Revit doesn't reverse the wall if you do this in a plan view!  It's the upside down reflected ceiling plan view that's causing Revit to flip the wall to the wrong side.  So I guess I should just build soffits on the floor and hoist them into place later on.

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I have drawn a lot of soffit/bulkhead walls and I have not seen the floor plan/versus ceiling plan discrepancy that you described.  Anyhow, here is my workflow:

- Soffit wall type finish (GWB) is on Interior

- When draw wall, I choose Location Line: Finish face - Interior

- Trace along the ceiling.  You can preview the wall between the 1st and the 2nd clicks to determine if you need to press space bar to flip it.

The key is being consistent with Interior/Exterior among your wall types and set it correctly prior to draw the walls.

[ToanDN]

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@RDAOU wrote:

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@JasonLLINDNER wrote:

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Hey DR

Sorry for intruding but I have a question How do you people know or notice such things?! Revit has a exclusive secrete manual which Autodesk only distribute among themselves?

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I don't know lol, I have nothing to do with Autodesk you have to ask @ToanDN and @barthbradley 

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