WALL HELP

[Anonymous]

I have used autocad since 1995 and know it inside and out, but I'm a beginner at revit. I'm using revit 2016 and have completed a number of online revit beginning courses. We had a project that we did in autocad and i  reference the cad floor plan in revit and started building the revit model, but it is a rather complicated building with lots of different conditions. I'm attaching a wall section for advice on best way to build this wall system from all of you revit experts.

I thank you in advance for any input.

FYI: KEYNOTE (1) IS A PRECAST CONC PANEL (5) CONC BEAM (6) CMU (8) BRICK VENEER WITH 2" AIR SPACE 

At bottom of brick veneer there is a half cmu block.

Thanks,

Jeff

[Anonymous]

Well this must be a tough one to answer. It is so much easier drawing in autocad when you get into complicated projects like this one. I have partly figured out how to approach the walls on this project but I don't think that there is any easy way or any way to get everything to display as you can in autocad. I love working with revit and it is very useful for visualization and coordination, but I am starting to see that it has its limitations when dealing with complex wall systems.

I would still like to hear from anyone with comments.

Thanks,

Jeff

[loboarch]

You can take a look at the video in this help topic. It covers a lot of the techniques you would use to create a wall like you show in your detail.

http://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2016/ENU/?guid=GUID-93F44C38-8158-4F7D-94E3-C076E1367786

The other topic in the help around "compound walls" covers the information you will need to know in order to build the wall. Some things you have in the wall seciton will not be able to be added as part of the wall (bolts, metal angles etc...) but are probably better handled as a detail element added to a section or detail view.

[Anonymous]

Thanks Loboarch,

That video was helpful and just this morning I was already starting to develop my wall types using this method. One problem that I'm having is at the columns where the cmu is interupted, but the the brick veneer passes in front of the column. I was thinking maybe draw the wall through all the columns even though obviously that is not what will really happen and mask the wall somehow at each column where the cmu wall passes through.

Does anyone know how to address this issue?

Thanks,

Jeff

[cbcarch]

I think you mean the concrete beam ( not column ) near the top of the wall?

This should be modelled as it will be built--with a concrete beam. Then model a separate CMU wall on top of it.

The precast conc. panel can be placed as a sweep, or even a separate Wall Type.

You could have 3 Wall Types:

1. CMU/Brick

2. CMU only

3. Precast Concrete

Another way would be to use a single wall, and create a Reveal, with a profile that is the same as the concrete beam, to "cut out" a void where the beam is all along the wall. You create a Profile family, sketching lines that create the exact shape of the conc. beam. Then create a new Wall Reveal, and assign your new Profile to it. Then place the Reveal at the correct height.

As Jeff says, the smaller detail items should be placed in a Section using Detail Components and 2D annotations.

The Wall Cap/Coping can be created with a Sweep, using a Profile in the shape of the cap. Assign it a concrete material.

A lot of AutoCad users have a mistaken idea that "you can't detail in Revit". False. You can details as well or better in revit than you can in cad.

You just have to know how to balance "modeling" and "2d detailing". This comes with time/practice, and learning tricks from others to speed you up.

There are lots of firms who use Revit and have INCREDIBLE drawings and details for very complicated designs.

Another power of Revit that Cad doesn't have is "smart annotations". Look into Keynoting and Tags to annotate your drawings, instead of "dumb text".

[Anonymous]

Actually I did mean the column, see attached plan. I tried do merge regions and making cmu wall at the beams air and it worked except it left a line representing the edge of cmu going through the beam. I will try using reveals as you talked about. I'm attempting to build the wall with as few wall types as possible, but in the end I may create more wall types to get the final result that I'm looking for. The sweep works very well for the precast conc panels.

Thanks everyone for all your comments and I'm having fun figuring this out and hopefully in the near future I will have a better grasp on drawing in revit and be able to pass down my knowledge to others.

Thanks,

Jeff

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

I think that I have figured out how to build this wall. For the cmu interuption at beam using reveals worked and in plan where cmu is interrupted at the columns the join command seems to clean it up nicely(the plan image the I attached was the autocad file and does not show the wall going through the column). I hope that maybe this post may help other revit beginners like myself and thank for all the answers and comments.

Jeff