Hi everyone,
New to the forums here so apologies if there's any etiquette/protocol I'm missing.
I'm an architect working on a large project in Los Angeles which has sloped walls. I modeled the sloped walls by creating an in-place mass, and then creating walls using the "pick by face" method.
When placing windows into the sloped walls, I ran into a number of issues. Please refer to the screenshots attached.
- Window 01 is a normal window family. This works fine, except that the frame is not in the same plane as the sloped wall, which shows in plan.
- Window 02 is a face-based generic model I created after doing some research online about this problem. While it does follow the plane of the wall, and it cuts fine in plan, it does not show up in window schedules as it is not a window family.
- Window 03 is the same family as Window 02, except that I changed the family category to "window" so that it shows up in schedules. Unfortunately by doing this, the frame no longer cuts in plan (I have already tried to change the visibility settings of the frame within the family, but this doesn't change anything).
- Window 04 is Window 02 (generic model) nested into an empty face-based window family, which is a solution I found online for this exact issue. However in my model this still doesn't solve the cutting in plan issue.
Another big problem with Windows 02, 03, and 04 is that there is no "height off a level" parameter, making it quite annoying and laborious to model precisely as I have a large number of windows in the project.
What seems like the simplest solution would be to "rotate" the frame of Window 01 to match the plane of the sloping wall (it would be the same angle in the whole project). Is there a way to do this?
Of course I'm open to any other solutions which would satisfy the following requirements:
1- follows slope of wall
2- cuts correctly in plan
3- can be tagged / shows up in window schedules
4- has "height off level" parameter
Thank you very much for any help!
Hi,
I just unchecked "Always vertical" in Window 01 right now, but unfortunately this didn't change anything.
Yah, I just opened your file. Wall Based vs. Face Based. That's the deal breaker.
Thinking...
Hello ToanDN,
What you described is what I did for Window 03. As you can see in the screenshot, the frame no longer cuts in plan. I also would need a "height off level" parameter for more efficient modeling in the project.
The windows appear to be cutting fine in Plan.
...and they report an offset from level (to center origin).
FWIW: May I point out that the wall not only sloped, but virtually every plane is askew.
The windows only appear be "floating" because of the view cut plane and angle of the wall to the detail plane. I agree though; it's looks a little confusing. I imagine the same phenom happening in Section View.
The only reason I mentioned that the wall is askew , is because that makes it nearly impossible to place a face-based or wall-based window on it orthogonal to the view and parallel with the level. You mentioned too, that you were concerned with reporting accurate heights. It's tough.
BTW: Welcome to the forum.
@Anonymous: I have another recommendation for you. Don't host the Windows at all. Use an unhosted template. Model them relative to the level, put a unattached void in the family and check "Cuts with Voids when Loaded". On placement, set the elevation and move them into position and then manually cut the wall with the family. Get the concept?
Hola, disculpa que no pueda escribir en ingles. tenia el mismo problema que tu, vi la opcion 4 y tuve una idea alternativa y es la siguiente.
1-Crear una familia de ventanas a partir de una familia "generic model face based". utiliza parametros de instancia en todas las dimensiones. Utiliza tambien "Default Elevation (default)" para el desfase de nivel asociado. "Sill Heigth". y marca la casilla "Shared"
2-Aplica los materiales como de costumbre y otras configuraciones.
3-Crea una familia "generic model face based". Crea los planos de referencia similar y crea otra ventana identica. (materiales y dimensiones) te servira para que en la vistas planta, elevaciones y secciones se pueda representar correctamente. (recuerda mantener la categoria "Generic Model", ya que es una familia que corta su geometria)
4-Carga tu familia de ventanas dentro de tu familia "Generic Model", y aplica las restricciones necesaria, luego asocias tus parametros de instancia a la familia generica para que posterior en tu proyecto puedas manipular correctamente.
5-Seleccion tu familia de ventana y desmarca la casilla "visible"
6-Carga tu familia en el proyecto.
7-ve a una vista de planta y observaras tu familia "Generic Model"
8-Crea un "Windows Schdule" y ahi veras tu familia de ventanas "Shared". asi mismo puedes etiquetarla tabulando "TAB"
9-Listo. "drink a beer"
Saludos desde Nicaragua.
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