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Substitute openings created with “edit profile” with voids

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adimariaBXE2A
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Substitute openings created with “edit profile” with voids

Hi, on our project we have created most of the openings in walls using the wall profile option. Is there a way, maybe by using a Dynamo script, to recognise all the openings in walls and substitute them by a parametric void family ? 

Any suggestion for a quick workflow to place parametric void family to opening created with edit profile ? 

At the moment, with standard size openings it is quite efficient: I first place the void family (faced based) to the center of the the openings created with “Edit Profile”. Then I edit the profile and I delete the opening. Then I cut the wall and the void family. 

The problem is with openings that have various size: I first have to check the dimension and elevation (so I can set the parameter in the parametric void properties) then I place it on the wall, and move it to the correct position. Then I remove the old opening with “Edit Profile” and then cut the wall and void.

 

Please consider that we have thousands of openings, so we are trying to avoid rework, and also minimise human error as when re-placing with voids the position might not be the same.

 

Thanks

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Alfredo_Medina
als Antwort auf: adimariaBXE2A

It sounds that you're doing some extra steps that are consuming time.

1) For example, when you say that you have a void family (face based), that you place on the wall, and THEN you cut the wall with the void family. That is an extra step. The void family could be cut already in the family. If it cuts the dummy box in the family editor, it will cut the host in the project, which eliminates one step.

2) Instead of using void families, have you considered using the opening families that come already in the default libraries? There are different types, one of them with trim already. In addition to showing trim, these families also display overhead lines in plan view, which are necessary anyway. 

Why did you prefer Edit Profile to do your openings instead of opening families? If you use opening families you can replace them easily with something else. Replacing lines inside a sketch of Edit Profile may not be possible.

 


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L.Maas
als Antwort auf: adimariaBXE2A

@Alfredo_Medina is correct that opening families are better alternative than doing profile edits. Or is it a project you need to correct?

@Alfredo_Medina if there are already openings in the walls and you place a void family that need to come as replacement of the opening you run into a problem. The void can not be placed and cut before the opening/profile edit is removed.

 

@adimariaBXE2A I think it can be done with Dynamo, however it will not be straightforward. It will depend on the variations in your project. For example are we talking only about rectangular openings or also other shapes (e.g round, triangular, irregular). Are all the walls straight or do you also have slanted walls or curved walls. The more variations, the more complex("impossible") it will become.

Louis

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Alfredo_Medina
als Antwort auf: adimariaBXE2A

Hi, Louis, just to clarify my point, I was not suggesting to @adimariaBXE2A to use opening families to replace openings already made by editing profile, but to use opening families instead of editing profiles from the beginning. Had he used opening families from the beginning instead of editing profiles, now he would be able to replace, easily, some families with other families or other types of the same families.


Alfredo Medina _________________________________________________________________ ______
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adimariaBXE2A
als Antwort auf: L.Maas

Hi, @L.Maas 

Indeed the void can not be placed and cut before the opening/profile edit is removed. So the extra step could not be avoided. 

The openings are all squared/
rectangular. 
The host walls are all straight but the top of the wall is modified with "Edit Profile" as the walls need to follow the slope of the Platform Slabs above. 

What I am modelling are Platforms Train Station. The Platforms have a slope and are sectioned with various thicknesses and slab Types (RC, Precast, Pre-Stressed). The supporting walls below (with openings) need to align with the slope and depending of the Type of slab above, there might be a 20mm gap to allow for Precast to sit on top. The top of the wall also host a corbel profile.

See example below. 

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Thank you
  

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L.Maas
als Antwort auf: adimariaBXE2A

Nice, Can you upload (a small relevant portion of) your project so I can have a look?
Maybe then I can determine of Dynamo is a feasible solution

Louis

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adimariaBXE2A
als Antwort auf: L.Maas

That would be nice. 

I have attached half of one of the four platforms (containing Below Platform Walls Model only).

Thanks you !


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L.Maas
als Antwort auf: adimariaBXE2A

I had a  look at it. Unfortunately without much success. I basically tried to create a Dynamo script to detect the openings (create a box around the wall and then look for the differences) . However due to the angles of your walls (several decimals)  there seems to be slight errors in the alignment which resulted in bad dettection of the openings.

So it does not seem to be  easy to get it resolved without lots of complications.

Louis

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adimariaBXE2A
als Antwort auf: L.Maas

@L.Maas thank you for giving a go in any case. Even though I am not confident with Dynamo. I assumed it was a challenging/impossible solution to develop.

 

In this case we will either replace all the edit profile openings with a void family or investigate further the IFC4 Export which seems to be the quickest solution you have provided in a different post.

 

Currently the IFC4 Export includes all geometry modelled, but its position is incorrect. When I import the IFC4  in Naviswork with File Reader set on “Legacy”, the geometry is rotated.
Any help to correct this ?

 

Thank you.

 

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