Stairs below level, How do I add a cut line?

[Jason_S]

I noticed that Revit likes to show the entire stair going down.  This works for me in a lot of cases but I have a project that the second floor is showing the stair all the way down to the first floor, and there is another stair going from the second floor to the third that I really need to see.

Plan regions don't seem to allow me to add a break line below the second floor and see the stair from the second to the third floor.

I looked high and low for a solution and am stuck.  The floors are on and the view is set to hidden.

The attached png shows the up stairs in blue that I would like to see and the Down stairs I would like to cut at the landing.

Thanks for all the help in advance.

[fernanda.firman]

So, you would like to manage how you see the stairs. You have a few choices:

1. Adjust the visibility graphics of the view and uncheck the string, stairs beyond cut line.

2. You can also use the linework tool, set to invisible lines, to hide parts of the stair you don't want to see. You can drag the edges to extend the lines.

3. Hide the stair and use draft lines for the part you would like to see.

Hope that helps.

[mary]

So the best solution is to hide the stair and draw it again with lines? Doesn't this seem to defeat the purpose of modeling.

I'm not frustrated with your answer, but rather with the design of Revit if this is indeed their intent of how the program should work.  Seems like it would make sense for Revit to add a simple parameter that when you select the stair you can enter the height in which you want the cut line to show going up or going down.  Not sure why Revit insists on making things more diffucult than it needs to be.

[Alfredo_Medina]

There might be something in your project that is not properly set up, and you should show more information, maybe a section, maybe the other floors, maybe the view range settings. There might be several reasons.

I took these screen captures from a project with 3 levels with a typical u-shaped stair. The default view range of each view show the stairs correctly at the 3 levels.

[mcab23]

Hello Alfredo Medina,

How did you show your 2nd level the way you have? I am having the same problem as Mary and the Autodesk solution is time consuming as i have 12 sets of stairs and 22 levels per stair and multiple views showing these stairs. My view range is cut to 1200 and bottom is set to 0. 

All i want to show is the stairs (down) running to the cut line of the stairs up. i am using Revit 2014. 

Thanks

[Firmanf]

I made a video showing how to change the cut line to show the level below in hidden lines. If that doesn't work, please post a sample of your stairs. https://screencast.autodesk.com/Main/Edit/36b42159-cb61-45ed-9e9a-3f518979e3f6

[mcab23]

Thanks Fernanda but the link doesnt work. Is this the correct link?

[Firmanf]

Sorry, can you please try again.

[mcab23]

I have tried it on different browsers and even computers and the link shows:

The webpage at https://screencast.autodesk.com/Account/Login?ReturnUrl=%2fMain%2fEdit%2f36b42159-cb61-45ed-9e9a-3f5... has resulted in too many redirects. Clearing your cookies for this site or allowing third-party cookies may fix the problem. If not, it is possibly a server configuration issue and not a problem with your computer.

[Firmanf]

https://screencast.autodesk.com/Main/Details/36b42159-cb61-45ed-9e9a-3f518979e3f6

[mcab23]

Hi Fernanda,

The link worked that time, thanks. 

But I'm unsure if you are understanding the question. I know how to move the cut plain with the view range for the stairs going up.

As you can see in the attached the stairs below are showing completely and i have shown the stairs going up above the cut plain dashed and gray. 

I am looking to show the stairs below going to the cut plain of the stairs going up like the example above in this thread. Can you help?

[Keith_Wilkinson]

Did anyone get a resolution to this? I have exactly the same issue here.

[mcab23]

They did not get back to me after my last message. So no answer sorry 😞

[chrisplyler · Accepted solution]

Revit has visibility controls for lines above the cut plain, but not for lines below the bottom of the view range. I sure wish it did, but it doesn't.

I like to do stairs like this...regular lines within the view range, no lines shown above the cut plane at all, and the beyond line style for steps going down below the floor. I do this by turning off all the (above) subcategories for stairs in Object Styles and then manually, for each floor, applying the beyond linestyle (or some other dashed line) to the projection lines of the stairs below by Override Graphics in View By Element. It's annoying, but at least it's only one easy change for each floor plan. I don't guess this is conventional, but I like it.

xtn

[Keith_Wilkinson]

This is definitely one of those things that Revit should do better.

To have to go into that level of detail with linework totally defeats the purpose IMO.  We instil into people that the use of linework should be kept to a minimum because honestly, it's a huge PITA most of the time.

A lower 'clip plane' would sort the problem although like most things I don't imagine anything will be done about it.  It's frustrating because Revit could be a really great program if Autodesk put the effort into looking at more of the little features that would help users on a day to day basis.

[chrisplyler]

Keith.Wilinson,

I totally agree, but at least the method I've shown in my previous post doesn't requre any line work.

xtn

[Keith_Wilkinson]

This is indeed true. 

Your method is interesting and something I'm going to look at a bit more.

[deanhendry]

I like that you can "like" someone's post.  It's too bad there isn't a "dislike post" for the Autodesk representative that said hide the model and draw it with detail lines how you want it...

That is just about the worst input ever.

[Keith_Wilkinson]

haha, agreed.  I think Chris' post is by far the most helpful on here.  The stair tool though is one that definitely needs more attention from Autodesk.

[mcab23]

Agreed! This issue has been a problem for years and they continue to drip feed updates that do not help fundemental issues like stairs.