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Stacked Walls inside Curtain Wall

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Anonymous
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Stacked Walls inside Curtain Wall

Dear everyone,

 

This is my first post, but I have actually lurked in this forum for some time after creating an account. I was wondering if anyone has encountered the similar challenges I've gone through in this Revit file.

 

There are many issues regarding the curtain wall [CW] joins and fixes I could learn, but having looked around the search engine and various Revit-related forums, there weren't any post or thread that highlighted the problem I've encountered here.

 

There are not one or two, but four and five problems I've had to deal with the CW. Right now in this post I want to focus on inserting stacked wall [SW] inside the CW. 

 

The first one I have to deal with is how to insert SW segments inside the curtain wall. Has anyone done this before? When I replaced system glazing panels with these SWs (in separate top and bottom parts), they were off by few inches forward and downwards. To align them with the actual SWs next to them, I had to modify the lower wall segment's structure by unlocking the base and top wall boundaries. After finding that didn't fix the sweeps entirely, I turned these lower segments into parts, which opened a can of worms. Yes the alignments were made, but but that turned a wall into several parts. 

 

I intended to follow the design based on this illustration. It turned out that making this would be one hectic task. Doing this in in-place was not an option for this part.

 

Of course, I have to deal with mullions as well as wall joins.


Best regards,

 

 

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

Question: why are you embedding or nesting a stacked wall into a curtain wall!

Usually it is the other way round ... you build your wall and the you embed the curtain wall in the SW

OR you just build a wall with an opening into which you place a separate curtain wall or a curtain system..how to make the opening may vary depending on the users preference!

What you are doing will hardly work if at all

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

See if it is what you are after?

 

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I just saw @RDAOU response and I agree with him.  For your design, I would not embed a brick wall with sweep as a curtain panel.  It cannot join cleanly with the adjacent wall.

 

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

@ToanDN: Thanks for showing that Parts Visibility. That's something I haven't used it before.

@RDAOU: Thanks for your response.

 

I attempted using SW as host, with CW embedded into the host wall many times, with no desirable outcome (until now).

 

Unfortunately, neither options you suggested worked for me. I cannot create the whole CW (as a single piece) into the SW and edit the individual panel profile separately. No option to edit in-place was available for each CW panel. Also, making a wall and using Wall Opening (Modify | Walls tab) would drastically change away from the original design as shown in the illustration.

But you did raise a point on a separate wall... So what I did was divide these walls not into three, but six wall segments. I had to separate a host SW into three (left, center top as stand-alone segment, right), and the CW into three: left three panels, center CW for door, and a right panel.

 

So that's one problem down, but another takes place. How do I clean join the gaps between these CW mullions? I know that using Quad/L-Shaped/Trapezoid works well on 45/90 degrees miter/butt join, but I really have no clue here. The joints don't come as clean in the way I wanted. Do I have to use in-place wall sweeps to disguise them as mullions? Any other alternatives?

 

Capture Screen 2.JPG

 

The curved wall (as of now)

 

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Just a test: left CW-Door join uses Quad mullion, right CW-Door join uses L-shaped Mullion.

 

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: Anonymous


@Anonymous wrote:

@ToanDN: Thanks for showing that Parts Visibility. That's something I haven't used it before.

 

There are no parts.  I was showing you the modified curtainwall so the sweeps align across the elevation.  I did not create parts from any of them.

@RDAOU: Thanks for your response.

 

I attempted using SW as host, with CW embedded into the host wall many times, with no desirable outcome (until now).

 

Unfortunately, neither options you suggested worked for me. I cannot create the whole CW (as a single piece) into the SW and edit the individual panel profile separately. No option to edit in-place was available for each CW panel. Also, making a wall and using Wall Opening (Modify | Walls tab) would drastically change away from the original design as shown in the illustration.

But you did raise a point on a separate wall... So what I did was divide these walls not into three, but six wall segments. I had to separate a host SW into three (left, center top as stand-alone segment, right), and the CW into three: left three panels, center CW for door, and a right panel.

 

So that's one problem down, but another takes place. How do I clean join the gaps between these CW mullions? I know that using Quad/L-Shaped/Trapezoid works well on 45/90 degrees miter/butt join, but I really have no clue here. The joints don't come as clean in the way I wanted. Do I have to use in-place wall sweeps to disguise them as mullions? Any other alternatives?

 

The curtainwall is segmented, frames and mullions are straight members.  It is not possible to have clean joints when they come into each others at an angle.  These joints will show in real life unless you build them with curved frames/mullions/glass panels.

 

 

Capture Screen 2.JPG

 

The curved wall (as of now)

 

Capture Screen 2.1.JPG

Just a test: left CW-Door join uses Quad mullion, right CW-Door join uses L-shaped Mullion.

 


 

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