Split Face tool is forcing wall joins' seams to show

Split Face tool is forcing wall joins' seams to show

Redrunner92
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Split Face tool is forcing wall joins' seams to show

Redrunner92
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I'm working on an exterior design of a building and using the Split Face and Paint tools. I have two exterior wall elements: one from the ground plane to the roof level (I will call this the "main wall"), then another wall above it which is a three-foot-tall parapet. The two walls are contacting each other and before I started splitting faces and painting, I joined the two walls. The problem arose after using the Split Face tool: when I finished the Split Face sketch of the main wall, the parapet wall's connection seam to the main wall became visible. (The painted material is is the same on the exterior face of both walls, and they are both aligned at the exterior face.) At first I thought the walls unjoined, but when I used the Join tool again it wouldn't let me select the second wall, showing that the two walls are indeed still joined. If I drag the parapet wall then trim and extend it, the seam remains; if I cut the parapet wall and paste-to-same-place, the seam remains; if I delete the parapet wall, draw a new parapet wall in the same location, then use the Join tool to connect the new parapet wall to the main wall, the seam remains. Has anyone come across this before and figured out what is going on?

I recently thought about making a Stacked Wall with the parapet on top, so I will likely take this route since it will surely get rid of the seam; however, I am still curious if anyone has some insight regarding why this seam will not turn invisible.

I also have a hunch it has to do with the walls' join order because I removed the paint and split faces, then cycled through some wall joins, and the initial wall join would make the seam invisible but later join orders made the seam visible. Also, the seam was invisible (after splitting the main wall's face) until I joined a perpendicular parapet wall to the main wall so I would make a smaller seam invisible; however, this join made the main seam visible again.This seam where the walls are joined refuses to disappear.This seam where the walls are joined refuses to disappear.

 

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ToanDN
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You could model the parapet wall without the exterior finish layer, then unlock the exterior finish layer of the main wall and stretch it to cover the parapet.
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barthbradley
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When you TAB-Select the "seam" what all highlights; what gets selected?  

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Redrunner92
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Good thinking, I gave that a shot and it worked well. Do you foresee any future issues due to using this method, particularly when making construction details? I can't think of any myself so I may go this route.

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Redrunner92
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Cycling through the selection options won't allow me to select the seam itself, only individual walls, chains of walls, and the hatch pattern of the painted-on material. In other words, I get Revit's regular behavior when tabbing through such locations where walls are joined.

Edit: I can also select wall faces, but this is also regular behavior for Revit.

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ToanDN
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Extending/shortening finish layer is a fairly common approach dealing with parapets and wall base.  You can still join the walls so there is no thick line between the extended finish layer and the parapet core.

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barthbradley
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What I asked is what element gets highlighted. The seam is an edge of one element -- maybe more than one.  That's what I'm trying to ascertain.  Be better if you could post the file. Then we could make suggestions based on how we'd handle.  

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Redrunner92
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I misunderstood, and still might not understand. When I hover over the seam, the parapet wall is Revit's first choice, then the main wall is the first choice if I am on the lower side of the seam. Is that what you are wondering?

 

Here is the file, reduced to only include the front of the building where the issue is occurring.

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barthbradley
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Check the orientation of your walls. Some appear to be facing the "wrong" way (e.g. interior side facing to exterior).  Is this intentional? 

 

will get back with you... 

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Redrunner92
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Good find, I had not yet checked that and have done that since making the simplified file I posted (meaning no, that was not intentional). The seam still shows, but I appreciate you letting me know about that.

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