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Space not recognizing room boundaries...

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Anonymous
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Space not recognizing room boundaries...

I've had a lot of success in modifying a version of an architectural background's rooms with seperations etc in order to get my spaces set up as I'd like in my model. (I'm not using space seperators purposely so the rooms have their own name / number and don't get overwritten by SNU). 

 

My issue is that for some reason I have one corridor that is composed of three rooms (used room seperator lines in arch model)... and when I place a space in this corridor, it wants to take up the entire corridor - not respecting the seperate rooms. 

 

How can I force this space to be bound by the room boundaries AND the walls instead of just the walls? I've done this sucessfully elsewhere in the model, but not sure what to check to get it working here....

 

thanks

Erik

 

(green outline below is space being placed... blue outlines are rooms - I've pointed out the room seperator that the space is ignoring...)

 

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HermanSolomon
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

Have you tried enclosing the area where the room separation takes place with space separation lines? If the space separation lines are enclosed (i.e closed polyline) the space should be forced to accept the predefined boundaries

http://revitrecess.blogspot.com/
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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: HermanSolomon

Thanks for your thoughts... I've tried to test that out...

 

If I make a room seperation "rectangle" in the middle of the corridor - my space ignores that completly. (red circle below)

 

There are some room seperators that were originally placed by the architect, and the rooms and spaces respect those!! (blue circle)

 

any other ideas of things to try??

 

thanks

Erik

 

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HermanSolomon
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

It might seem like a trivial question, but I'd just like to confirm that what you are trying to do is placing an MEP space in the Architectural Room (Seperated by room separation lines)? I tend to think in Revit termilogy a bit too much

 

If the latter is the case, I suggest you verify the Limit offset of the architecural room. (You can hover your mouse over the room reference lines, and <Tab> through until you select it. In your properties you will find the limit for the room) If the limit offset is not high enough, your spaces will ignore the room seperation lines. 

http://revitrecess.blogspot.com/
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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: HermanSolomon

Yes I should clarify. Was trying to keep it simple, but a few more facts might help figure it out...

 

I have an architectural revit model that has rooms in it. (actually have 5+ arch models - but let's not go there)

 

I have a "mechanical load" model which I'm using only for the loads (not doing design in it for various other reasons concerning background update frequency). I have the arch model linked in.

 

I've done several days of work where I've split and redrawn rooms in the arch model and have plopped spaces into the mechanical model with no problem. The spaces take the form of the room. I'm not sure what has changed (trying to think about that!!)

 

But the issue that I'm having now is that the rooms I've shown in the screenshots are created by using room seperators that carve up the rooms in the architectural model (same process I've used before), but when I try and place a space in the mechanical model, it just wants to be bound by walls and doesn't pay attention to room sepeartors, nor the rooms.

 

 

Does anyone know what exactly the "Room Bounding" parameter for the linked model (under edit type) does? I have it checked (and unchecking causes many of my spaces to loose geometry). I believe it allows the linked model to bound rooms that are placed in the current model. This has helped because I have a shell and core arch and many TI arch models... turning them all on to room bounding has helped clean up the process of creating clean spaces in my model...

 

 

thanks!
Erik

 

 

 

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

I've found the work around that I'm going to need to use for this project... if I just place really thin walls in the architectural model, I get the rooms to divide up like I intend, and then the spaces see and recognize those walls and create the spaces where I intend. 

 

This is only really possible because I have the (perhaps unique?) setup of my own standalone arch backgrounds that I only update once per deadline (ie once in DD, once in CD) and not every week like the working / living arch backgrounds. So I can play in them as I please.

 

If anyone else has other other thoughts - let me know! 

 

 

 

 

distillation of the original issue: I want to find a way for SPACES in one model to be bound by ROOM SEPERATOR lines in a linked model. 

 

solution: using walls I'm placing in the linked arch model instead of room seperation lines.

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mathieu.josserand
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

Hi,

I'm currently working on same problem...

My project is divided into an "active model" with a link revit file : the arch model.

I try to generate spaces in the active model from all the rooms boundaries (link model)

It works perfectly when the room is fully enclosed by walls, but if the architect chose to set two neighbor rooms  BUT without a wall between them, then, Revit doesn't dectect the boundary and set a only space for these two rooms.
The picture above describes very well the situation...

Currently, I work in C# with the NewSpace Function from the Revit api (https://www.revitapidocs.com/2019/d72124de-64a9-56ca-b310-6856c507e647.htm)
I don't know what to do, maybe a parameter to activate ?
Perhaps, today someone finds a solution ?

Cheers

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