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shell and TI work

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htews
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shell and TI work

working on a project that we typically do as shell work (all new construction).  now we need to add a tenant which will be permitted out at the same time as the shell building.

 

question is:

1. is it possible to do both in the same revit model?  i.e.  show the core walls in the shell show up as existing in the TI plans?

 

or 

 

2. do I need to create a new model for the TI work and 'xref' the Shell building in?

 

 

 

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Sahay_R
als Antwort auf: htews

Option 2 is the most commonly used.

Separate model for Shell, link (not XRef) Tenant Fit Out. Similarly with new file Tenant Fit-Out. Create the new file and link the Shell.


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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: Sahay_R

It seems like Phasing would work nicely for this.  ??  I'm kinda new though.  I don't know what would happen if you deleted a phase if everything in that phase also gets deleted or does it go to a different phase. ?? for example if you had made structural revisions in a phase that happened a couple phases ago.

 

You would not need to keep those old layouts of previous tenant spaces.  when a space gets leased you would add a phase for the name of the tenant and start remodeling. 

 

If I have leased a space a few times I would have a few phases of over lapping revisions.  I don't know that there is a function to bring all the previous phases work up to an existing phase. You have this issue no matter how your files are set up.  Start with the last model and upgrade it for the new tenant.  How do you delete the demo work?

 

I'm not sure how you would fight the file bloat from all the construction documents that you would not need in the new drawings for the new tenant finish.  If you would start a new project by copying the last one to the new project location and then remove all the unnecessary views sheets and detailing. 

 

What are your thoughts?

 

 

I'm rambling.

Matthew

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David_W_Koch
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

A little late, but perhaps ever so slightly better than never....

 

You cannot "delete" a Phase, but you can "get rid of" a Phase by merging it into another Phase.  I suppose, in theory, you could do a commercial building with leased spaces and do tenant fitouts as Phase(s) to the original core and shell model, and then continue to use that model for the life of the building, adding a new Phase for every tenant renovation/new tenant fitout.  But I would imagine that file would become difficult to work in, particularly if you were to try to maintain all of the Sheets.

 

I would probably lean toward @Sahay_R's recommendation of a separate fitout model into which the core/shell model is linked.  You can still use phasing - the completed core/shell model could be brought in as being the "starting conditions" Phase.  (I dislike using Existing and New for Phase names, as those same names are used to describe the relative state of an element in comparison to the Phase assigned to a View.)  But if you were to do it all in the same model, I would think you would want to archive the model after the completion of each fitout Phase, and then delete the Sheets (or, most of them - the ones with views of the model for the previous work for sure; you might be able to keep certain detail sheets, particularly if they are all based on drafting views and the details will be the same in the next fitout).  The previous fitout's Phase could be merged back into the "starting conditions" Phase, and then a new fitout Phase created for the next fitout work.

 

Where it gets tricky is if you have multiple fitouts under development at the same time, and you have to keep them separate for documentation purposes, but you cannot predict which one will go ahead first.


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kadmonkee
als Antwort auf: htews

phasing within one model would be an option.

phasing in separate models works as well, as @David_W_Koch & @Sahay_R mentioned.

I have used both methods in the past and found each has its merits.

MEPFP-S will have to deal with coordination issues potentially spanning linked models.

Shell components sharing functions within the Tenant spaces. Room Designations by phases, 

things to consider- size of building , number of tenants or potential tenants, scheduling deliverables, team structure, MEPFP & S

Archive your model as it stands prior to setting up your new phasing for TI.

all of your SHELL components and views would be designated as existing.

create the Phase for TI, this now becomes a progressive model that you can apply a new Phase for future tenant Fit Outs.

use a shared Parameter to organize your views and sheets to sort by phase.

SHELL

TI-1

TI-2

TI-3 etc.

after each idelivable you can Archive the model for records keeping.

if at any time the model becomes too heavy then you can create a new version to make it more useful.

 

 

 






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