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Scaling symbols

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m-de-lange
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Scaling symbols

Hello,

I'm having an issue with scaling a symbol of one of my partially self made families.

 

I loaded an Generic model 'symbol' from another family into mine.

I'm aware that it's usual to use a Generic Annotation family as symbol, since it automatically scales with the scale settings of your view template.

However i'd very much like to use this Generic Model symbol for my family.

 

Apperantly the scaling doesn't work for this symbol via the view template. Instead it has it's own two scaling parameters, 1 : 100 and 1 : 50. 

Would it be possible to link the family scaling parameter to the view template scaling parameter? Or am i really forced to use a generic annotation family for proper symbols?

 

I am unable to upload the families here directly so they are in this Wetransfer link:

https://we.tl/t-GiJyE0l5e9

 

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Zsolt.Varga
als Antwort auf: m-de-lange

Hi @m-de-lange ,

 

What exactly are the aspects in the disfavour of using a generic annotation family?

 

Regards, 



Zsolt Varga
Technical Support Specialist
Autodesk, Inc.

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m-de-lange
als Antwort auf: Zsolt.Varga

No disfavour at all, i'm just trying to understand.

 

This family symbol came from Cadac The Modus, we see them as professional family builders.

I'd like to use this symbol as it has many options available, parameter-wise.

Though i have trouble using it as it doesn't scale with the view template scaling parameter.

 

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Zsolt.Varga
als Antwort auf: m-de-lange

Hi @m-de-lange ,

 

Thanks for your quick response. 

I´ll take a look at the family and let you know what I found.

Thanks for your patience, while I am working on this.

 

Best regards, 

 



Zsolt Varga
Technical Support Specialist
Autodesk, Inc.

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Zsolt.Varga
als Antwort auf: Zsolt.Varga

Hi @m-de-lange ,

 

I opened the families and played around with them quickly.

 

I believe, you will need to regenerate the family using the generic annotation family template, if you want the symbol to scale according to the view scale of a project.

The logic behind it is: 

Annotations should be able to adjust to the scale of the views, while it would be definitely an undesirable program behavior if model geometry would change its size depending on the scale of a certain view. Remember: Model Geometry is displayed in all views, while annotations are connected to a certain view only.

 

That´s also the reason, why Revit won´t allow you to load a non-annotation family as a nested family in a generic annotation family (or generic annotation family template) - if you´d try to do so, it will give you a warning:

 

"Only the annotation families can be loaded into annotation families."

 

I hope this information clarifies the program behavior and helps you, even though I understand, that you might have wished for some better news.

 

Best regards,



Zsolt Varga
Technical Support Specialist
Autodesk, Inc.

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JJRevitUser
als Antwort auf: Zsolt.Varga

This is one of the clearest answers I think I have seen in the forums, & from an autodesk memeber. Mind answering a special situation about revit pipe accessory annotation scale parameter?

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jimjr
als Antwort auf: Zsolt.Varga

How would one prevent annotations within a family from scaling according to view scale? We prepare our disciplines MEP rough-in plans at 1/4"=1' 0". Our MEP families contain annotations drawn for proper sizing at 1/4 inch scale. However, I'm seeing that during meetings our architectural clients have our model linked to theirs, but their view is at 1/8"=1'0" scale. Our annotations appear twice their normal size and disrupt their view. Turning off the MEP family category entirely is a drastic fix. Is there a way to update our annotation so that they do not scale?

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RobDraw
als Antwort auf: jimjr


@jimjr wrote:

How would one prevent annotations within a family from scaling according to view scale? We prepare our disciplines MEP rough-in plans at 1/4"=1' 0". Our MEP families contain annotations drawn for proper sizing at 1/4 inch scale. However, I'm seeing that during meetings our architectural clients have our model linked to theirs, but their view is at 1/8"=1'0" scale. Our annotations appear twice their normal size and disrupt their view. Turning off the MEP family category entirely is a drastic fix. Is there a way to update our annotation so that they do not scale?


The architect should probably consider not using "By Linked View" if the annotation symbols interfere with their drawings. On the other hand, if it is required, you will have to set-up views dedicated for the architect to use at 1/8" scale.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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Josiah_A
als Antwort auf: RobDraw

I have the same question.  I know it goes against the usual way in which Annotative symbols are meant to be used, but I want one annotative family in particular to NOT scale.  This is because it has a masking region that needs to mask over some linework in the middle of a light fixture model family.  I have not been able to get the Annotat > Detail > Masking Region element to hide this same linework.  (If you know a way to remedy that, I would appreciate that as well.)  Thank you. 

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mhiserZFHXS
als Antwort auf: Josiah_A


@Josiah_A wrote:

I have the same question.  I know it goes against the usual way in which Annotative symbols are meant to be used, but I want one annotative family in particular to NOT scale.  This is because it has a masking region that needs to mask over some linework in the middle of a light fixture model family.  I have not been able to get the Annotat > Detail > Masking Region element to hide this same linework.  (If you know a way to remedy that, I would appreciate that as well.)  Thank you. 


This was said to be a new feature in R24 and I just tested it out. You can now place a 2D object, such as a masking region, in a 3D model and adjust its draw order. Draw it over the lines you want to cover, bring it to the front, and voila.

 

So if you're stuck in R23 or earlier, sorry. But this issue has now been fixed.

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RobDraw
als Antwort auf: mhiserZFHXS


@mhiserZFHXS wrote:
So if you're stuck in R23 or earlier, sorry. But this issue has now been fixed.

It's still not "fixed" for earlier versions... It's just a new feature for '23.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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mhiserZFHXS
als Antwort auf: RobDraw


@RobDraw wrote:

@mhiserZFHXS wrote:
So if you're stuck in R23 or earlier, sorry. But this issue has now been fixed.

It's still not "fixed" for earlier versions... It's just a new feature for '23.


Yea, I could have been more clear. Fixed in R24 and beyond. Unless your saying a "new feature" is different than a "fix", which, okay, semantics.

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RobDraw
als Antwort auf: mhiserZFHXS

IMHO, it's added functionality. It wasn't broken. 


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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mhiserZFHXS
als Antwort auf: RobDraw

:daumen_hoch:

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CathyChoi_BIM
als Antwort auf: m-de-lange

the best way, not use these annotation family, they are "dead" symbol, you should use detail item always.

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