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Room Tags for invisible Rooms

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jagostinho74
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Room Tags for invisible Rooms

Found today that rooms from linked models can still be tagged in spite of them not showing in view.

Tried hiding the links in view, different workset and different design option. All of them allow you to tag a non-visible room from a linked model.

 

Only using the Tag All tool does not seem to pick them up.

 

This is a bug, to my view, since if the rooms are not visible it should not be possible to tag them at all!

 

Video attached.

 

 

Assistant BIM/CAD Manager

Manchester, UK


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dzanta
als Antwort auf: jagostinho74

very interesting problem. From the video, it looks like you are running Revit 2016.  I tested the issue in Revit 2017 and it too behaves as you describe.  Would you for me to contact Autodesk and put in a Tech Support ticket to get someone to investigate this?


Dzan Ta, AEE, ASM, ACI.

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jagostinho74
als Antwort auf: dzanta

Hi @dzanta.

 

That would be great, yes. Thank you.

Could I ask to follow the ticket status so that I get a notification when a fix is released?

 

Kind regards,

J

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dzanta
als Antwort auf: jagostinho74

i have set up an ats case for you....(case number is 12715007)

 

 

See screencast I made too...


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GlynnisVP
als Antwort auf: dzanta

In developing Ideate XRay we took a very close look at this invisibility issue.  I suspect that this condition needs to persist because if you tag a room (or door, or equipment) across a linked file, and then the linked file cannot be found/loaded, you don't want the tag to delete (necessarily). When you reload the linked file you may expect to still see it there??

I'll be interested to hear the answer back from Autodesk on this one. Thanks for sharing the video and for logging the issue.

 

Best Regards,

Glynnis Patterson

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jagostinho74
als Antwort auf: GlynnisVP

@GlynnisVP I can understand that. We certainly do not want for the tags to snap everytime a linked model is not visible. But this behaviour does not seem to affec, for instance, wall tags. Just Rooms.

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dzanta
als Antwort auf: jagostinho74

Autodesk Technical Support stated that this is considered a bug in the software.  They have forwarded the information to the Development Team so they can look at it.  I will let you know if they resolve the bug and if/when it will be implemented.  Thank you for finding this bug and helping the Community with improving Revit.


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jagostinho74
als Antwort auf: dzanta

Thank you for letting me know.

 

Kind regards,

J

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dzanta
als Antwort auf: dzanta

Update from Autodesk Development Team:

 

Hi, Dzan,

The development team has reviewed the case I sent them regarding the room tags question, and they have confirmed that the behavior the customer is seeing is expected behavior, and not a bug. Here are the details as I described them, and the responses I received. (If I've misunderstood or overlooked something, please let me know.)

1. With the linked model visible and the room category turned off, use Room Tag to tag rooms; choose No (do not make rooms visible). Result: Tags are created with a warning that created elements are not visible. Response: This is how Revit has always behaved, and it is expected behavior. 

2. In VG, turn off the workset containing the linked model, and turn on the Rooms category. Use Tag all not tagged to place room tags. Then turn on the workset with the linked model. Result: the rooms in the linked model are NOT tagged. Response: this is expected behavior. If the workset for the "container" element (the linked model) is turned off, you can't tag any elements in it because they are invisible. 

3. Turn off the linked models workset again. Use Room Tag command to tag all rooms. Result: room tags can be placed in the linked room again with the warning that created objects are not visible. Response: This, too, is how Revit has always behaved, and is expected behavior. 


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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: dzanta

It's laughable when something can't be explained logically and rationally
is chalked as an expected behavior. Good job! Glad I don't have to deal
with this a whole lot.

Thanks for following through with this @dzanta!
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jagostinho74
als Antwort auf: dzanta

@dzanta

 

Many thanks for sharing the answers.

 

I see it far from being an expected behaviour. It reads "bug" all over it. It does not happen with other elements, just Rooms.

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jagostinho74
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

@ToanDN

unless...what they mean is that it is expected behaviour. The bug has always been around so we expect this to happen. Revit always did that because we have not fixed it.

 

Seriously, I find the answer unacceptable. It is a bug at the development team should fix it.

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dzanta
als Antwort auf: jagostinho74

Update two:

 

Hi, Dzan,

This is a good question! When I went to the development team to ask about it, they acknowledged that this may be confusing. However, they tell me that at some point long ago, it was decided that room tags should be behave this way, and it has remained so since then. If you and your customer feel there's room for improvement, I would encourage you to post the idea on the Revit Idea Station, along with the business reason for the change. 

As with any complex task, taking a few minutes to understand the differences between the different tagging options can be helpful to avoid surprises. To ensure that rooms in the linked model are not tagged, use Tag All Not Tagged and do not check the "include elements from linked files" box. To tag only certain rooms and not others in the view in the host model, select the rooms you want to tag and choose Tag All Not Tagged; by default, the radio button for "only selected objects in the current view" in the dialog box will selected, and other rooms will not be tagged. Although the various ways of tagging rooms in linked and/or host models may not be as intuitive as one might like (that's where the Idea Station comes in), it should be possible to tag the desired rooms by carefully choosing the appropriate tagging tool (either Room Tag or Tag All Not Tagged, or Tag by Category) and the settings for that tool.


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