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Room Tag outside of room without leader

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se.ha
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Room Tag outside of room without leader

dear community,

 

unfortunately there is no way in Revit (at least to my knowledge) to place a room tag outside of the room and then hide the leader line. You can overwrite the leader line in the object styles with white, but this leads to unsightly "stains" in the plan.

 

Since the origin of the room tag family must be in the room, my idea was to offset the text in the family itself:

 

Unbenannt (1).PNG

 

This works so far, there are four types (top left to bottom right) and the offset is parameterized.

Now my problem: I forgot that instance parameters in annotations are not transferred to the project. It would be possible with type parameters, but far too many types would be required and the labeling would quickly become unmanageable.

 

Do you have any other workable solutions?

 

Thanks very much


se.ha
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RSomppi
als Antwort auf: se.ha

It can be quite handy to place a tag just outside of the room but adding this functionality does require several types to cover all the different justifications. In theory it sounds unusable but in practice, you should get used to it so that it is almost second nature to make the proper selection. For a while, I had duct and pipe tags with over a dozen types in each for tagging risers. It worked out quite well.

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: se.ha

No Leader? Just a Label offset from the element (e.g. Room) it is referencing?  I can imagine the confusion that would cause on my plans.  Maybe the solution is to identify the Room via a Color Scheme and Room Legend - and not a Tag. 

 

Food for thought. 

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RSomppi
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

It's not confusing if it's placed within the space of an opening or arc of a doorway. I've done it countless times in AutoCAD and had to accept that Revit requires a leader even if it's not necessary for the drawing to be clear.

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: RSomppi

I say it would be confusing -- and against good Architectural Drafting Practices.  I can see doing that in certain Views, but those would be exceptions to the rule  - not SOP.   In those cases,  maybe a GA would be simplest solution.  

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RSomppi
als Antwort auf: barthbradley


@barthbradley wrote:

I say it would be confusing -- and against good Architectural Drafting Practices. 


So, as along as you say it, it's true?

 

Sometimes it's not necessary to have a leader and still be easily understandable. Like I said, outside the room and within a door swing is perfectly understandable without a leader. 

 

Keep practicing.

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: RSomppi


@RSomppi wrote:

@barthbradley wrote:

I say it would be confusing -- and against good Architectural Drafting Practices. 


So, as along as you say it, it's true?

 

Sometimes it's not necessary to have a leader and still be easily understandable. Like I said, outside the room and within a door swing is perfectly understandable without a leader. 

 

Keep practicing.


 

I'm not in disagreement with you.  "Sometimes it's not necessary to have a leader".  But that's not what's being discussed here. The OP is referring specifically to Room Tag and how to work around a limitation it has. 

 

 

 

Been "practicing" for 35 years.  FWIW.   

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se.ha
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Good morning. 

 

A short explanation of why I'm asking: Sometimes we have to include a lot of information in the room tag (Name, Number, Area, Height, Wall- Floor- Ceiling Materials, Spot Elevations, etc) which can be too much for small rooms like Toilets or Bathrooms. Especially if there are additional dimensions in the room. To ensure legibility, sometimes we tag the room itself with only the Name and/or Number and place an additional tag outside the room or even outside the building.

 

The firm I'm working for has been around for almost a century, so I think it's fair to say, we know a thing or two about "good Architectural Drafting Practices".

I'm in central europe btw, this may explain, why we have different definitions of "good Architectural Drafting Practices".

 

Anyway, as you mentioned 



But that's not what's being discussed here. The OP is referring specifically to Room Tag and how to work around a limitation it has.  


let's assume I know what I'm trying to do and why, any ideas on how to achieve this specific goal?


se.ha
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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: se.ha


@se.ha wrote:

...

let's assume I know what I'm trying to do and why, any ideas on how to achieve this specific goal?

@se.ha 

 

Other than what you mentioned, (using a Tag) no there isn't 

 

What you could do is use a Generic Annotation and fill its values using Dynamo (get values from Room and Set values to Generic Annotation)

 

 

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: se.ha

  • Create a generic model (or any room aware) family with a set of shared parameters comparable with Room parameters.
  • Place a family instance in each room that you need.
  • Create a Dynamo script to read the host room's parameters and write to the family's shared parameters.
  • Make a copy of the Room tag, change it to generic model tag, replace the labels the shared parameters above, tag the families, and move them out of the room.
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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: se.ha


@se.ha wrote:

 

we have to include a lot of information in the room tag (Name, Number, Area, Height, Wall- Floor- Ceiling Materials, Spot Elevations, etc) 


 

Yeah, that's one heck of a lot of information to jam into a tag! "Spot Elevations, etc." not withstanding.  

 

Room331-1.png

 

Maybe the better solution is what I mentioned above: Color Scheme Room Legend in the View - and a Room Schedule on the Sheet to describe all the individual Room particulars.  

 

Room331-2.png

 

...or use a simpler Tag and a Room Schedule... 

 

Room331-4.png

 

...or learn to love the leader or don't use the Room Tag - and be thankful that you aren't annotating they way your firm was a century ago.  :zwinkerndes_Gesicht:   

 

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se.ha
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

It's going to be the leaders for now, I guess. Everything else is not up to me (or my firm), that's just how architecture plans in my country are drafted. And we don't like changes :Gesicht_mit_rollenden_Augen:

 

Btw with Spot elevations I mean something like this:

Spot elevations.PNG

Structural Slab Level, Finished Floor level, Finished Ceiling level and structural ceiling level - above Origin.

Maybe you call it differently, english is not my first language.


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se.ha
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

Thanks for the input @ToanDN and @RDAOU.

 

I'll think about if Dynamo or just accepting the leader is the best solution in this case.


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