Revit and fire safety in buildings

[Anonymous]

Hello,

I would like to use Revit to work with fire safety in my future projects.

Some of the points I am mostly interested in:

1. Walls - different fire resistances (30, 90, 120 minutes, combustible, non-combustible)

2. Doors - different kinds of fire doors

3. Areas - ability to easily mark specific areas such as emergency routes

4. Legend - I need a legend with all associated symbols

5. The symbols of doors should be put on the plan as well

In the attachment you can find the plan which illustrates what I want to achieve. I apologize since it in German.

My first though was to use Families to create all possible things I could use. Beside that, I would like to have opportunity to change the existing walls and convert them from regular walls to walls which have fire resistance. For example, if architect sends me a Revit project, I would like to be able to change certain things, and use this plan as basis for my fire safety design.

Thank you!

[ToanDN]

Sorry. Change the color scheme location back to background. Keep the Stair category as 100% transparent.

[Anonymous]

The problem is related to the Room areas, which are not correctly positioned, so they include parts of the walls. I tried the method you suggested, but did not solve the problem.

[chrisplyler]

That's a known issue. You can set the color scheme to display in the foreground, but then it goes to wall centerlines, and there is no setting in either the color scheme or in room parameters to fix this. The behavior seems to be hard coded.

What CAN fix it is the fact that View Filters take precedence over many other display settings, even this hard-coded one. Make a View Filter that selects all walls. Apply the filter to your view using the View Graphics options in the view. Add the filter there, and set it to display the walls with a solid white fill.

Problem solved! With a catch. If you've already got View Filters set up to display your fire rated walls in certain ways, then make THIS new filter to only pick up walls with no fire rating.

[ToanDN]

Below is with the Color Scheme = Background and Stair Category = 100% transparent.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I have solved the problem by using this method. However, the area color goes till the middle of doors, but it does not matter. What important is that the walls are not affected. Thanks.

The stairs in floor plans are not affected as well, but I would like to have them in another color, if they are used for evacuation. So far, I added parameter Evacuation for Stairs with simple "Yes" and "No" input. If the stair is used in evacuation, I would put "Yes". I have created the appropriate filter, like I made for the walls, but it does not work. The color of the stairs is always the same, no matter what I put into filters. I tried Override by element, but I am able to change the color of the lines only. Any solution? The same question relates to the ceilings visible in floor plans.

By the way, is there any way to "lock" plans that I modify in central model? So no one could change the things related to fire safety, since we all (architects, civil engineers and fire engineers) work at the same model?

[ToanDN]

@Anonymous

I did a test and having no problem create a filter to change the stair color based on a Yes/No parameter.

Regarding your "lock" question, I don't think there is an easy way.  Technically you could move Rooms or Stairs to a different Workset and make it Editable only by yourself.  Practically, I believe other disciplines, at least the Architect, need to enter the Room or Stair information as well.  You best bet is add a Prefix to your parameter to indicate your Discipline, put them under a proper Parameter group, and the most importantly, communicate the scope with other parties.

[Anonymous]

No, I did not manage to change the color of the stairs in floor plan. I could not do that for the floors as well. Not sure if and where the colors are messed up, since I got the model from architects, it is not mine.

[Anonymous]

Now I see, you used the Hidden line view. I used Realistic, that is why I could not get the filter for stairs to work properly.

When I use the Hidden lines view, then I have a problem with Color Scheme. Although the Color Scheme is set up correctly, the colors would not show up the right way. There are a bunch of different colors, with no mention of colors I defined in my Color scheme called "Fire Safety" (only three different colors for evacuation stairs, corridor and all other areas). So, the whole mechanism works in Realistic view only. Any idea how to make it work in Hidden lines view as well?

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Now I see, you used the Hidden line view. I used Realistic, that is why I could not get the filter for stairs to work properly.

When I use the Hidden lines view, then I have a problem with Color Scheme. Although the Color Scheme is set up correctly, the colors would not show up the right way. There are a bunch of different colors, with no mention of colors I defined in my Color scheme called "Fire Safety" (only three different colors for evacuation stairs, corridor and all other areas). So, the whole mechanism works in Realistic view only. Any idea how to make it work in Hidden lines view as well?

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It is very strange.  I have never use a Color scheme on any visual style other than Hidden.  Shaded and realistic visual styles introduce colors from the Materials which I don't want.  But yours sounds the complete opposite.  Can you post a screenshot of your Realistic View and another one of the same View but with Hidden visual style?  Include the properties panel in your screenshots.

[Anonymous]

The first one is Hidden lines, the second one is Realistic. In the first, the colors are wrong, the color of stair is right. In the second, the colors are right, but the color of the stair is wrong.

[niklas.stranneforsTZ4RU]

Saw your post, I would assume that you want to produce fire strategy drawings? 

take a look at bimfiretools.com, it is a tool to create your own fire safety model, which will emulate the layout of fire strategy drawings that are made in PDF / AutoCAD at the moment. But the tool gives you the possibility to send the data / parameter values of requirements to any object in the linked model. 

There are even features for audit trail, tracking changes in the linked models and automatically update the fire safety model after the linked model.