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Replace Light Fixtures

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PhilvK
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Replace Light Fixtures

I have a large acoustical ceiling area where we used the out-of-the-box 2x4 Troffer Parabolic light fixture, but would now like to change all those lights to a specific manufacturer’s fixture. I thought it would be easy to do so by selecting all the original lights, go to the properties browser, and click on the new fixture. When I do that however I get the error message that ‘Can’t use this type in this host’. If both lights were easily placed in the ceiling, why can’t they be switched out?

 

If what I want to do can’t be done, what’s the best way to change all the lights to a different fixture other than redoing everything?

 

In the image below, #1 is the OOTB Troffer, and #2 is the manufacturer’s fixture. I have also included a RVT file if anyone could please take a look. Also, why doesn't;t the manufacturer's fixture move with the grid like the Troffer does?

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: PhilvK

I did not open your file so pardon me if I am wrong.  The OOTB architectural light fixture is ceiling based, manufacturers' fixture are most likely face based (same as OOTB electrical light fixture).  You can not swap them.

 

A workaround is nest the manufacturer fixture into the OOTB fixture as shared family, and delete the OOTB model.

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L.Maas
als Antwort auf: PhilvK

You have probably families which host in different ways. One might be ceiling based an other might be face based. One can not be replaced by the other.

 

Louis

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Please mention Revit version, especially when uploading Revit files.

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FGPerraudin
als Antwort auf: L.Maas

I have just checked and @L.Maas is right.

 

You will need to re-model the replacement lamp (idealy both are ceiling based)

 

François



Francois-Gabriel Perraudin
BIM management and coaching

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: PhilvK

@PhilvK

 

 

One does not really need to remodel anything...One can use Copy/Monitor tool in order to convert all current ceiling based fixtures into Face based Fixters.

 

  1. Save Project as (CONVERT.RVT)
  2. Open Convert.rvt > go to 3D > select a trofer and from the Temp Hide/isolate "Isolate category" > then apply Hide/Isolate to view
  3. Close this one and reopen ur original
  4. go to 3D view > pick a trofer > right click and  select all troffers in entire Project
  5. Hit delete (to delete all)
  6. Go to browser and delete the family
  7. Go to insert > link Rvt > Link in the Convert.rvt Origin to Origin
  8. Go to 3D view > Select all and Temporary Hide All elements except link (sun glasses Icon)
  9. type VV and on the links tab overider so that view to Show as per Linked file visibility Setting (at this Point you will see only the fixtures in the link)
  10. Go to collaborate >> Copy Monitor > Select Link
  11. Pick the link
  12. Select copy and check box for Multiple selection
  13. Cross window to select all troffers
  14. Click FInish then the Green Tick to finish C/M mode
  15. Unload/Remove the Convert.rvt link
  16. Reset the temp Hide Isolate

The Troffer fixtures which are now in the Model are face based which one could basically replace with another face based family

 

I will add a screencast shortly...sounds like a Long process but takes actually 3-4 mins

 

EDIT: Or ask your supplier to send you a ceiling based fixture lol Easiest Thing to do.

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PhilvK
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

Thanks to all on this! I am not sure why they would make a recessed ceiling fixture face based as opposed to ceiling based since both are intended to be recessed into a ceiling

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: PhilvK

@PhilvK 

 

There is nothing wrong with face based fixture even when recessed...Simply said; they are more like the Master Key Version of lighting fixtures (Not everyone uses Ceiling tool to model a suspended ceiling but whatever one models surely has a face)

 

If you want to save yourself the Trouble..bounce back to the supplier and ask them to provide a ceiling based...If you are willing to Change the OOTB one to face based so you may be able to replace them with those from the supplier...it is quite easy and below is the screencast for the steps given above

 

 

 

Cheers

 

 

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FGPerraudin
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

Never thought of using copy/monitor that way,

I love the "thinking out of the box"!

 

Will definitely watch your screencast !

 

François



Francois-Gabriel Perraudin
BIM management and coaching

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PhilvK
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

Thank you RDAOU, but this is definitely beyond my level of understanding at this point. I will need to view it a number of times and understand what Copy Monitor is.

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: PhilvK

No rush Phil...it is just a neat handy trick which you might find useful for various things and not just for the issue of this post (easier to get it supplier to handle this one if they want their products on the project)

:leicht_lächelndes_Gesicht: Franc ... a side Note ... unfortunately it doesn't work for everything cuz C/M doesn't cover all categories. But you can temporarily change category, do what needs to be done then switch category back

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FGPerraudin
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

Hi @RDAOU,

 

Interesting method, 

 

But I don't get when the family turns into face-based families...?

Does it convert automatically when copied/monitored?

 

François



Francois-Gabriel Perraudin
BIM management and coaching

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: FGPerraudin

@FGPerraudin

 

The copy comes in face based...thats a Feature of copy Monitor since 2011 onward. The catch is more in changing/re-placing all the elements in the Project in one go instead of remodeling and re-placing the old ones 1 at a time. (the time before Dynamo existed)

 

Attached is the .rvt used in the cast. and the OOTB Family which was ceiling based now face.

 

 

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