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Questions about the Revit 2024 default multidiscipline template

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acastana06
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Questions about the Revit 2024 default multidiscipline template

I am completely confused by the Default multidiscipline template in Revit 2024:

  1. When I am in a Structural View (e.g. L2-Structural) and try to model a structural wall then the default setting is "Depth" and I just have to select "Down to" L1, but when I actually start clicking to place the wall, I get these warnings that "None of the created elements are visible in the view; please check...."
    • I say to myself, shure, it makes sense, the view range of the L2 structural has a cut plane somewhere above the L2, and the wall I just created is between L2 and L1, so, it figures, I'm not supposed to see it because it's not cut by the cut plane.
    • But when I try to use the same thing for a column (in the L2 structural view, Depth, Down to L1), I get no warnings and, even more, I can see the created columns. WHY???? aren't they also not cut by the cut plane? Why Revit does not complain?
  2. Conversely, when I'm in an Architectural Floor plan (L2 - Architectural) and I do the same thing (Structural Wall, Depth, Down to L1) then I get no warnings (I should... the cut plane is still above the wall), but I see the outline of the wall, greyed out, as if it were in an Underlay.
    • you could say, yes, because the Architectural views have the Underlay active, therefore I see the underlay
    • but when I activate the underlay in the L2 Structural view, I do not see the wall; I would expect to see it... WHY???? Why do I not see it.

Generally:

  • everywhere I read about Revit I get the vibe that in Architecture Revit likes to look up, and in Structure Revit likes to look down. In other words if I'm the architect I like to stand on L1 and look at the walls between L1 and L2, but if I'm a structural engineer and I stand on L2, then I like to look at the walls that support L2 (the ones between L1 and L2).
  • so it makes sense that Revit activates the "Depth" option automatically for structural walls and the Height option automatically for architectural walls - which further confirms the vibe I'm getting online.
  • but everything else (e.g. what I highlighted above) seems to be inconsistent with this concept.
    • Namely, if for structure Revit likes to look down, then I would think Revit wants me as a structural engineer to stand on L2 and look at the supports of L2, but then in a Structural L2 view, give me a cut plane that is below (not above) L2, to support my structural engineer viewpoint.

Ultimately my question is:

 - Is Revit intending us users to use a specific workflow when we are Structural Engineers or Architects? in that case which is it? (when I want a wall between L1 and L2, how am I supposed to do it, in which view, and with which settings? Depth? Height?)

 - or is it all just a bunch of default settings for various commands and wall types that the Revit development team did not bother to set in a coherent manner (to support/guide/hint a specific workflow), because there is no coherence intended, and us users are just supposed to change the settings however we see fit for our specific intention?

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: acastana06

Looks like the L2 - Structural View was created using the Structural Framing Template. Create a new one and set the Template to "none" - or choose another Template - or create your own.  

 

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alfmedina
als Antwort auf: acastana06

You can model walls and columns using Depth or Height. The reason you see Depth or Height as the default is because the last element that was modeled before saving the template was done in that way. Meaning that if you draw a wall or column with Height, the next wall or column will have that choice as the default. 

The new "multi-discipline" template in Revit 2024 has something for all the disciplines. I prefer to use the separate templates that we had before, one per discipline. If you prefer that, you can copy your templates from Revit 2023 or previous, to your 2024 templates folder, and use a specific template for your discipline.

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acastana06
als Antwort auf: alfmedina

So you are saying that there is no "rule" intended by Autodesk that one should use Depth or Height in special situations, but it's rather whatever feels right to the user for his particular situation.

OK I can take that, thanks.
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acastana06
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Thanks for the hint. But that still leaves open questions for me:

  1. the Structural Framing View template has view range unchecked, so this view template does not modify whatever view range that view had before the template is applied. This means that by applying this template to the structural plans when creating the project template whomever did that did not alter the view range of the view.
  2. Now I notice another weird thing: when creating a new view (e.g. structural plan) the view template that is set in the type properties of that view type (e.g. structural) does not apply - the new view still has "none" as the view template instance property. I would expect it to have the Structural Framing Plan view template. Is that normal?
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acastana06
als Antwort auf: acastana06

My bad for not checking the help system:

 

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still, point 1 remains...

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: acastana06

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Alfredo_Medina
als Antwort auf: acastana06

Templates do not represent a direction "by Autodesk". They are just a starting point, to help you save time setting up views. But you can choose to delete those preloaded templates and use your own. Or use the individual templates by disciplines from previous versions.


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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: acastana06

You know, if you are setting up View Templates from scratch, I would go about it a little differently.  I wouldn't bother setting up VTs before you start a new Project, I'd create View Templates - from specific Views - as your Project progresses and you decide what needs to be templated.   If you already have VTs in other versions, then bring them into 2024.  I think @Alfredo_Medina mentioned this above. 

 

See: "To create a view template based on the settings of a project view" at this link: 

 

Help | Create a View Template | Autodesk

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acastana06
als Antwort auf: acastana06

Hi Guys, thanks for all the replies. This helps me out a lot. Everything in here is useful info for me (I have been on and off using/learning Revit as various demo versions since years, but never really using it professionally and consistently, and therefore I still feel like a noob struggling with the basics of wall joins... :D).

 

I guess there are 2 underlying topics in this thread:

 

1. I feel that I need some explanations about how the default template is set-up and how to use it. I think it still holds true that one sets up a template to enable a certain workflow, and to make certain aspects of the design work more comfortable. By extension, the default template is probably set-up by Autodesk to enable a specific workflow, I'm wondering what that workflow is.

 

I do not find any explanation about it in the Revit support section: what is changed compared to the templates from previous versions (e.g. those filters in the V/G of the Structural template are pretty deep settings... undocumented...), how one might take advantage of those template features? Also none of the "what's new in Revit" videos on YT mention anything about this.

 

2. The topics about how to model the walls (structural vs Architectural, Height vs. Depth) basically goes in the same direction of being ONE specific (out of many others) workflow question that I am trying to answer for myself: "What is the correct workflow to model walls?" but this is just a particular case of point 1.

 

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RSomppi
als Antwort auf: acastana06

I think you are going about this with some misunderstandings.

 

The view templates and a lot of the content that comes with Revit is just examples of what can be done. They are not meant to dictate workflows. You can use these examples as a basis of setting up your standards but they will likely need at least some modifications to suit your needs. Instead of trying to figure out what you see as Autdesk suggesting specific workflows, figure out how to set these things up for yourself. Once you learn that, you will be able to modify these things so that they work for you instead of you modifying workflows to fit a generic mold.

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