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Problem with Place on Face Family

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Problem with Place on Face Family

To whom it may concern,

As below I tried the Urinal family sticking the host wall so as to convert  into "Place On Face", but eventually cannot move it along the horizontal level after convertion completed. I am not sure if the cause comes from the family or the incorrect usage for the convertion of family in orientation. Thanks.

1. Create a new Revit project file.
2. Create a wall.
3. Load and place the wall-based family that needs to be converted.
4. Save this as a new project (e.g. Project A).
5. Open a separate Revit session and create a new project (e.g. Project B).
6. Link Project A into Project B.
7. Navigate to the Collaborate tab > Copy/ Monitor > Select Link.
8. Copy the wall-based family instance from the linked model (Project A) into the host model (Project B).

Regards

Joseph Foeng Fu Tjan

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barthbradley
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I'm not following what you are trying to do, or why.  Sounds like you are trying to convert a hosted family to a non-hosted family. Why?  I can move this hosted family in any direction on the Host Face in the Project.  If you are trying to convert the Family to a non-hosted Family, you need only open the Family directly from the Project Browser after step #8. The Family is non-hosted. Now just remove the extrusion that was representing the Host Wall. 

 

 

...or you could just zero out the Host Wall Extrusion Depth in the Family to make it non-hosted.  

 

 

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ToanDN
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@3260525644 wrote:

To whom it may concern,

As below I tried the Urinal family sticking the host wall so as to convert  into "Place On Face", but eventually cannot move it along the horizontal level after convertion completed.


Check Disjoin box when move it.

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3260525644
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Thank you for your kindness instruction. It is normal that urinal is installed in vertical direction, will be weird if laid down. I have two issues and hope some veterans who can help suggest the solution. Firstly, I cannot convert the family into whatever direction I want. Secondly, the family cannot moved up and down by cusor control, after hosten to the wall.

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barthbradley
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I'm not following.  Sounds like you might be talking about the orientation of the urinal IN THE FAMILY.  That orientation doesn't matter.  That's probably the same orientation it will be in at Home Depot - if you catch my drift.  :zwinkerndes_Gesicht: 

 

Maybe I'm not catching yours.  It happens.  

 

 

 

Help | Place a Component | Autodesk

 

Help | Move a Work Plane-Based or Face-Based Element to a Different Host | Autodesk

 

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3260525644
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Dear Barth Bradley,

 

Thank you to share with your opinion. I am designing a bathroom and enable the accessories to place in any area of floor, pipe lines disposition underground, unnecesary to hosten the wall. Please advise how I can enable the family in unnecessary to hosten the wall for the identification of orientation.  Thank you so much.

 

Regards

 

Joseph Foeng

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ToanDN
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I still am not understand what you CAN'T do.  I can move your family up or down or left or right without any problem.

 

ToanDN_0-1691424659335.png

 

ToanDN_1-1691424679602.png

 

 

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SteveKStafford
als Antwort auf: 3260525644

Some face based families are built "lying down" in the template file. Each kind of family interacts with the "face" differently. A ceiling fan is built upside down for example. The face host in the family file is a neutral surface so orientation like top or bottom depends on what the family is meant to represent. The face could be a ceiling, a floor, a wall, a desk top, a roof etc.

 

So with this urinal family it is oriented in the family editor how it is related to the face in the template and Revit will place it in the project according to the face you select. If you select a floor the urinal will by lying down. If you are careful to select Vertical Face from the options on the ribbon you'll find Revit will place the urinal upright on the wall instead, as shown in the images @ToanDN shared.


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3260525644
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

Dear ToanDN, the family can be moved but unknownly disppeared shown as PPT.  I am glad if you can help identify the root cause, thanks.
Regards
Joseph Foeng
 
 
 
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SteveKStafford
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Select the Urinal, change its elevation offset in the Properties Palette.


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3260525644
als Antwort auf: SteveKStafford

Dear Steve,


Thank you very much for your kind instruction.  As below I am not sure what problem cause I can't do as you said, thanks.

 

3260525644_1-1691597656659.png

 

Regards

 

Joseph Foeng

 

 

 

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ToanDN
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@3260525644 wrote:

Dear Steve,


Thank you very much for your kind instruction.  As below I am not sure what problem cause I can't do as you said, thanks.

 

3260525644_1-1691597656659.png

 

Regards

 

Joseph Foeng

 

 

 


What do you want it to be offset from?

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SteveKStafford
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Change the parameter for Elevation from Level , I was paraphrasing in my previous reply.

 

Separate but related issue, I see the Host parameter reports: <not associated>. That suggests the urinal is not properly hosted by the wall face yet. Select the urinal and then use Pick New (ribbon) to allow you to select the wall face. The Host parameter should list something other than <not associated> if you're successful.

 

I downloaded and looked at the project file you shared. The face based family that @ToanDN created and shared works as expected in your file, either hosted by a wall face in the project or a wall face in a linked model. I can move it up or down with the move tool as well as enter different values in the Elevation from level parameter, even changing the Schedule Level parameter. It's hard to know what is preventing you from doing the same things. Perhaps a video of you trying to do the tasks so we can see what steps you are taking?


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als Antwort auf: SteveKStafford

Dear Steve,

 

I am not sure what wrong procedure I followed, causing what the hell I can't do the basic operation in Revit, such as manipulation of the family in level and orientation, the version of Revit is 2023.  I am rather familiar with 3D product design (such as UG-Unigraphic NX) than Autodesk 3D. I cannot thoroughly figure out 3D design in Revit MEP, such as (datum plane identify the latitude and cross interface). I will take a video and share with you later, hope you can figure out my blind points and give me supportive instruction.  Thanks.

 

Regards

 

Joseph Foeng

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SteveKStafford
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Most of the tasks we need to accomplish with Revit MEP can be accomplished in a plan view. Working in a plan view for Level 2 based on the file you shared refer to the following image. It shows the Place on Vertical Face option is active, it is used to ensure the Urinal family is placed on the vertical face of a wall. I've placed two additional urinals on the wall next to the one that isn't hosted at the moment because I don't have the linked model your sample was using.

SteveKStafford_0-1691650745615.png

Then I used the Pick New button after selecting your urinal and placed it on the wall next to the two that I placed earlier.

SteveKStafford_1-1691651046555.png

When I examine the urinals in the North elevation I can select any of the urinals and provide a new value for the Elevation from Level parameter.

SteveKStafford_2-1691651119366.png

I've attached the version of the file you shared after doing the above tasks. Have a look at the file to see if you notice anything that works different than before.

 


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3260525644
als Antwort auf: SteveKStafford

Dear Steve,

 

As attached I took a short video, and hope you can understand the issue that I can't fix in Revit 2023. While I moved the family up and down, especially horizonal, the family is abruptly disappared, what wrong I did actually. Many thanks no matter what you give me suggestion.

 

Regards

 

Joseph Foeng

 

 

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barthbradley
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3260525644
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Dear Steve,
Thank you very much to share with what you have know how.  I am studying on how I can identify what co-relation of View Range and among Top, Cut Plane, Bottom and View Depth, not yet figure out though. Thanks.

Regards

Joseph Foeng

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3260525644
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Dear Steve,

I am not sure what's doing wrong causing the issue. Under Top: 2300 and Cut Plane: 2000, I set the level of family in 2200, resulting in disppearance, but turn up after changing to 2175.  I am all ears if you have spare time to share with your experience about that. Thank a lot.

Regards

Joseph Foeng

 

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barthbradley
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Plumbing Fixtures are non-cuttable. 

 

Help | About Non-Cuttable Families | Autodesk

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