Is there a way to control the door and frame separately? We do a lot of remodel work where we leave the existing frame and then demo the door slab out and put a new one in. So in the beginning we need the door to demo but not the frame; and then in new construction we need the frame to look existing with the door slab as new.
To start with, I have isolated the frame and panel into separate families and then nested them into the final door family. Been playing with parameters to be able to possibly phase them separately.
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Option 1: Frame and Panel as separate families, not nested. Frame with Opening Cut. Panel without Opening Cut. Insert Frame and Panel to project separately.
- existing Frame to remain
- existing Panel family to be demolished in New Phase
- insert new Panel in Existing Frame in New Phase
This is the most straight forward method, everything is under the correct phase, no needs for any override graphics nonsense. The downside is keeping frames and panels in sync location wide.
Option 2: 1 Frame + 2 Panels in one Door family.
- create Subcategories for (e) Panel and (n) Panel and assign to each panel respectively
- insert Door family in Project under existing phase, do not demolish them
- for existing Views, turn off (n) Panel subcategory
- for demolition Views, turn off (n) Panel subcategory, override (e) Panel category to show as Demolished item
- for new Views, turn off (e) panel subcategory, override (n) Panel to show as New item
This is more like a hack. BIM purists would declare war against it.
What about grouping the two families together? They can be Phased differently that way.
ToanDN wrote: The downside is keeping frames and panels in sync location wide.
Yeah, as soon as I hit send, I realized this was flawed thinking, since you are essentially creating a new instance of the Model Group - and as with any new element placed, it gets place in the working Phase. I'd go with your #1 suggestion - followed by a strongly-worded letter to Autodesk asking for a PHASING controls that work like Visibility Controls. HA!
@ToanDN you are right about Option 1 - does seem to be hard to manager. I can do it on my own. But getting the gazillion team members to get it right? I don't think so.
Option 2 - though a hack
that's more like it! I will develop this to discuss with my colleague before letting it go live in the system
As to my Option 1 (which I am currently working on) - this is currently where I am -
This does need some refinement - I think that changing the Existing / New Construction parameters to only one called Demolished would be more effective. Also this would require a filter to work in the Demo plans. Again, I may be wrong. A lot more development and testing is required to make sure it does what I want it to. If this approach works then I will create a second library and call it Phaseable Doors.
Rina, unless you are going to have a “Demo” Phase, I don’t think this needs a workaround at all – just 2 different door types.
Essentially, you’re replacing doors of one type (the As-Built) with doors of another type (New Construction). That’s 2 different conditions; not 3. Why don’t you just create and load into the correct project phase, 2 different family door types that share some of the same nested components?
Even if you built it the way that you would like, I don’t really see a way to clearly distinguish both the demolished doors and the new doors in the same view. Do you know what I mean? Better to call-out to construction specs.
Good luck.
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@barthbradley you've got me thinking - not an easy task bright and early on a Friday morning, when you've already (a) lost your glasses and (b) tried to put coffee into the end of the mug without a hole.
The Phasing parameters I had been experimenting with don't show the panel being demo'ed on the drawing for the contractor - which is what we want. Rats.
I am thinking - two panel families with different linestyles. Yes/No visibility parameters. Who knows? I may have a Happy Friday after all!
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