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Phasing door frame separately from panel

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Sahay_R
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Phasing door frame separately from panel

Is there a way to control the door and frame separately?  We do a lot of remodel work where we leave the existing frame and then demo the door slab out and put a new one in.  So in the beginning we need the door to demo but not the frame; and then in new construction we need the frame to look existing with the door slab as new.

 

To start with, I have isolated the frame and panel into separate families and then nested them into the final door family. Been playing with parameters to be able to possibly phase them separately.

 
A couple of possibilities - 
1) putting a parameter on the frame or that changes it to a half tone line type so they look existing.
2) being able to select the panel and frame separately to assign them to a particular phase (preferred)
 
Been racking my brains on this all day! Thank you!

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: Sahay_R

Option 1:  Frame and Panel as separate families, not nested.  Frame with Opening Cut.  Panel without Opening Cut.  Insert Frame and Panel to project separately.

 

- existing Frame to remain

- existing Panel family  to be demolished in New Phase

- insert new Panel in Existing Frame in New Phase

 

This is the most straight forward method, everything is under the correct phase, no needs for any override graphics nonsense.  The downside is keeping frames and panels in sync location wide.

 

 

Option 2: 1 Frame + 2 Panels in one Door family.

 

- create Subcategories for (e) Panel and (n) Panel and assign to each panel respectively

- insert Door family in Project under existing phase, do not demolish them

- for existing Views, turn off (n) Panel subcategory

- for demolition Views, turn off (n) Panel subcategory, override (e) Panel category to show as Demolished item

- for new Views, turn off (e) panel subcategory, override (n) Panel to show as New item

 

This is more like a hack.  BIM purists would declare war against it.

 

 

 

 

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: ToanDN


ToanDN wrote: The downside is keeping frames and panels in sync location wide.

 


What about grouping the two families together? They can be Phased differently that way. 

 

 

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

The problem with Group is when you copy or insert a Group consists of elements of different phases, all the elements inside the new Group instances change to the active phase of the working View, demolished items are no longer demolished.
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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

Yeah, as soon as I hit send, I realized this was flawed thinking, since you are essentially creating a new instance of the Model Group - and as with any new element placed, it gets place in the working Phase. I'd go with your #1 suggestion - followed by a strongly-worded letter to Autodesk asking for a PHASING controls that work like Visibility Controls.  HA!

 

 

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Sahay_R
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

@ToanDN you are right about Option 1 - does seem to be hard to manager. I can do it on my own. But getting the gazillion team members to get it right? I don't think so.

 

Option 2 - though a hack Smiley (Zunge) that's more like it! I will develop this to discuss with my colleague before letting it go live in the system

 

As to my Option 1 (which I am currently working on) - this is currently where I am - 

 

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This does need some refinement - I think that changing the Existing / New Construction parameters to only one called Demolished would be more effective. Also this would require a filter to work in the Demo plans. Again, I may be wrong. A lot more development and testing is required to make sure it does what I want it to. If this approach works then I will create a second library and call it Phaseable Doors. 


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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: Sahay_R

Rina, unless you are going to have a “Demo” Phase, I don’t think this needs a workaround at all – just 2 different door types.

 

Essentially, you’re replacing doors of one type (the As-Built) with doors of another type (New Construction).  That’s 2 different conditions; not 3. Why don’t you just create and load into the correct project phase, 2 different family door types that share some of the same nested components?  

 

Even if you built it the way that you would like, I don’t really see a way to clearly distinguish both the demolished doors and the new doors in the same view. Do you know what I mean? Better to call-out to construction specs.

 

Good luck. 

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: Sahay_R

@ToanDN

:leicht_lächelndes_Gesicht: BIM purists (how u called them) won't declare war; however, I think they would find both methods outrageous

very similar case to that of the insert vs opening and sub frames them window...I ran across one project once where someone actually used

>opening family
>subframe
>frame>leaves
>curtain monoblock for a window

(the project had 230 of them! And the project was planned as a 3 phase project and the dilemma for that user was where to fit in the missing phases of his windows cuz he couldn't use first phase of the project and he had 4 phases planned for his windows) imagine every single trade on a project think that way! Why only windows or doors? Right? Now imagine a project with 200 phases!

So I have to say this one too seems like one of those cases where user exploits revit phasing and starts using as construction scheduling ... BUT as customer service says...always smile, keep calm and :leicht_lächelndes_Gesicht: as long as it makes the customer happy "make believe"

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Sahay_R
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

@barthbradley you've got me thinking - not an easy task bright and early on a Friday morning, when you've already (a) lost your glasses and (b) tried to put coffee into the end of the mug without a hole.

 

The Phasing parameters I had been experimenting with don't show the panel being demo'ed on the drawing for the contractor - which is what we want. Rats. 

 

I am thinking - two panel families with different linestyles. Yes/No visibility parameters. Who knows? I may have a Happy Friday after all!

 

AND IT WORKS!!!!!!! YAHOO!!!!


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