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Origin point of room tags

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ymHGJKT
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Origin point of room tags

So I am trying to tag some rather small rooms in my project and the problem i have seems to be the origin point of the room tag not being inside of the room. I want the text to be displayed inside of the room but in may case that moves the origin of the tag outside of the room. Is there a way to change the origin point of the tag? (Ive alrerady made sure that the reference planes of the family are in the right place but that doesnt seem to have an effect on the origin o the tag)

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hmunsell
als Antwort auf: ymHGJKT

Normally the room tag is placed at the intersection of the "X" that gets placed when you place your room. If you select Tag All Not Tagged option, the tag also goes at the "X". If your tagging the room manually, the tag goes where you you place it. 

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The times I have seen this message it is because the Room has lost its bounding objects. In the RoomTag image you show, it doesn't look like your Rooms are being bound by the walls. if the walls are in a link, select the links and pick Edit Type and make sure the Link is set to Room Bounding.

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Howard Munsell
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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: ymHGJKT

Reposition the Room Tag Label using the drag tool - not by selecting and moving the whole Room Tag.

 

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esk0r
als Antwort auf: ymHGJKT

Hi,

 

In order to be able to position the room tag outside of the room, you need to enable the tag's leader line (as the error message suggests). First enable leader line, then move the tag and it will do what you need.

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Rene Pellicer Garcia
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ymHGJKT
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

It doesnt solve my problem but it actually illustrates it quite well. as soon as the corner of the text box is outside of the room boundary the tag is says its out of bounds. I can see that it is the point where the leader arm is attatched but even if the leader is turned off its still using that corner as a reference for the tags location. Why wouldnt the tag just use its actual origin point ( the one that you use for dragging etc)? It makes it so unnessesarily tricky to place room tags in small technical rooms for example. 

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esk0r
als Antwort auf: ymHGJKT

Looking at your original images again it seems like those small rooms you refer to are not enclosed. Could you confirm that the rooms you are trying to tag are properly enclosed? Rooms have to be enclosed to be tagged, even if by means of room separation lines only.
If rooms are enclosed, then there might be an issue with the door tag family you are using. If you share it here I can have a look. Annotation have their origin defined by the intersection of reference planes (not the 4 arrows symbol for moving the tag), but these are usually not visible inside annotation families and you have to turn them on in family editor:

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Rene Pellicer Garcia
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ymHGJKT
als Antwort auf: esk0r

yes the rooms are all enclosed actually, but good point I also had that problem before. This time its not the issue though.

Your second suggestion I expected to work. I moved the reference planes and the reference lines into the center of my tag in the family editor. I loaded it into the project and overwrote parameters but its still working like it should ...

I attached the family maybe you can have a look at it.

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esk0r
als Antwort auf: ymHGJKT

OK I finally nailed the issue, I think.

Looking at your room tag family, I noticed the ref planes were not pinned and went ahead to check their relative position against a default room tag, and found them to be away from the internal origin. So although the ref planes might represent the family's origin when placing it, the actual internal origin was elsewhere. I have recreated your room tag family and types, now nicely centered. BTW, those reference lines are not doing anything at all and you might as well delete them (I guess at some point they were controlling position of symbolic lines or something, or they are there for future use, I dunno). See screenshot below showing the offsets in your old family (dims show offset from internal origin x,y axis relative to the ref lines. Now everything is in same place in attached edited family).

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Rene Pellicer Garcia
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ymHGJKT
als Antwort auf: esk0r

Yes! You did nail it, it was the pinning of the elements that worked in the end. I still dont get why the reference lines of the tag want to move but if you pin them they stay in the centre. Thanks buddy, now enjoy your well deserved weekend!
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esk0r
als Antwort auf: ymHGJKT

Hey, thanks!
Just to note: the ref lines were not really moving on the original family you shared. The problem was that the  ref planes determining the tag's origin, had been moved away from the internal origin (by someone, at some point in time, for some reason or probably without realising...).

I just recreated your tag (labels, types, etc) using one where I was certain that the built-in ref planes were aligned to the internal origin.

 

Lastly, if your tag is not going to use symbolic lines to create a border, with height/width parameters controlled by the ref lines, then you might as well delete those reference lines, because pinned or unpinned, they are not doing anything at all at the moment. 

And good weekend to you too!




Rene Pellicer Garcia
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