Objects Styles

[Shay.Gaghe]

Hi

I want to talk about viability in Revit,

As I understand, manage > Objects Styles is where object visibility is defined by default.

You can set Liveweights, line color, line Pattern and material

1. what is the Material means?

2. Why you cant define the default look of the pattern in plane and section views?

Thanks

Shay

[Ilic.Andrej]

Hello

1.  The elements may have the custom material, but also they may have the material called "By Category". This means that the element material will refer to the default material of the category - the material you define using Object Styles.

2. I don't understand the question or what troubles you. You can create your own line pattern using manage/additional settings/line patterns.

[barthbradley]

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@Shay.Gaghe wrote:

Hi

I want to talk about viability in Revit,

As I understand, manage > Objects Styles is where object visibility is defined by default.

You can set Liveweights, line color, line Pattern and material

1. what is the Material means?

2. Why you cant define the default look of the pattern in plane and section views?

Thanks

Shay

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Object Style does not control visibility. Visibility and Graphics control visibility in VIEWS.   

[RobDraw]

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@barthbradley wrote:

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Object Style does not control visibility. Visibility and Graphics control visibility in VIEWS.   

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Nope. V/G settings can be made override the object styles, unless you are talking about the on/off option but that is not what the OP is referring to.

[barthbradley]

I guess it all about interpretation, @RobDraw.  Maybe I read it wrong. 

What I read was: I want to talk about visibility in Revit. As I understand, manage > Objects Styles is where object visibility is defined by default.

That undertanding is incorrect. 

[Shay.Gaghe]

Sorry, I’ve lead you wrong, I meant to visibility properties like limelight, line pattern and not necessarily the on/off property.

Im trying to build hierarchy to help me better understand the flow

Manage > Object Styles is the head of the hierarchy where it dictates the default global properties of lines across the project (which can be overridden by more specific interface.)

The Fill pattern is not part of the Manage > Object Styles definition, so I guess it govern by material.

At this point I get confused.

Who set what the default material is?

[barthbradley]

[RobDraw]

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@barthbradley wrote:

I guess it all about interpretation, @RobDraw.  Maybe I read it wrong. 

What I read was: I want to talk about visibility in Revit. As I understand, manage > Objects Styles is where object visibility is defined by default.

That undertanding is incorrect. 

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I must have been mind reading, because I understood the OP to be talking about the settings available in the object styles. They are more accurately described as the graphic settings. 

[RobDraw]

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@barthbradley wrote:

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Were you trying to highlight the Material Assets and missed?

[barthbradley]

Wow! Tough crowd. 

What I read and responded to was: "The Fill pattern is not part of the Manage > Object Styles definition, so I guess it govern by material." 

Again: an incorrect assumption. 

[RobDraw]

But the OP mostly has been asking about the material that is defined in the object styles. Several times actually.

Your responses are going off on tangents and would probably be clearer if you actually quoted what you were responding to.

[barthbradley]

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@RobDraw wrote:

But the OP mostly has been asking about the material that is defined in the object styles. Several times actually.

Your responses are going off on tangents and would probably be clearer if you actually quoted what you were responding to.

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Sorry Robert, but I’m not following you. But, I am going to be in Greenwich in a couple of weeks. We ought to hook up. I’ll buy you a beer or two. Greenwich has some great pubs! What do you say? 

[barthbradley]

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@Shay.Gaghe wrote:

Sorry, I’ve lead you wrong, I meant to visibility properties like limelight, line pattern and not necessarily the on/off property.

Im trying to build hierarchy to help me better understand the flow

Manage > Object Styles is the head of the hierarchy where it dictates the default global properties of lines across the project (which can be overridden by more specific interface.)

The Fill pattern is not part of the Manage > Object Styles definition, so I guess it govern by material.

At this point I get confused.

Who set what the default material is?

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As Robert has reminded a member on other occasions: “terminology is so important”. You are intermixing two terms that are entirely different from one another in Revit: “Fill Pattern” and “Material”.  It’s no wonder Robert is confused.  I feel bad for him.  

[RobDraw]

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@Shay.Gaghe wrote:

The Fill pattern is not part of the Manage > Object Styles definition, so I guess it govern by material.

At this point I get confused.

Who set what the default material is?

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This is where things go south. It depends on what @Shay.Gaghe is referring to by the "Fill Pattern". I think he is trying to get his head around what the material in the object styles controls and probably how to choose said default, before the V/G overrides come into play.

I am confused, but I can only go by what the OP has actually asked about in his terms. Materials can affect how things appear in 3D views whereas fill patterns are more for 2D representation. Unless I am totally off base, the OP is asking about the materials setting in the object styles. If not, he hasn't explained his real question very clearly, but you seem to have the inside track.

[Shay.Gaghe]

Hi guys,

The appearance of obhects in Revit is complicated since its controlled by lots of settings and condition.

I would appreciate if the admin can change the title of this post to “Revit Object Appearance explained” for better reference for other people.

Ill try to be clear,

1. First of all there are 3 conditions, Fine, Medium, Coarse.

are they fixed or can be edited?

2.Manage > Object Style

Im in Coarse mode.

I’ve set the” Wall” “Material” parameter to a material, ive set a cut pattern to this material, it then shows in the cut view as expected. Now when I change the view detail mode to Medium or Fine, the fill pattern disappears. Why?

3.Wall > Properties > Edit Type

When I edit the type of wall for instance, I have those parameters

Coarse Scale Fill Pattern

Coarse Scale Fill Color

What are they? and what is the different of the “By View” in the Visibility Graphics dialog?

4. Can someone please draw hierarchy that shows the relationship of the controllers that have impact on how object are displayed within Revit?

Thanks

Shayg

[barthbradley]

@Shay.Gaghe: with all due respect, you seem to be all over the map here. I'm getting dizzy just trying to follow your thinking. Your're intermixing terminologies, settings and functions and drawing erroneous correlations. I would suggest  compartmentalizing.  Sorry.   

[ToanDN]

Everything you ask is available from the Knowledge Base articles. It would be redundant if we re-type the same things here for you. Just type in your search keywords, for example: "coarse, medium, and fine detail levels in revit" in google and it will give you the link to the Knowledge base article.

[Shay.Gaghe]

ok guys....really sorry to bother you

[Shay.Gaghe]

how to delete this thread?

[MehrshadV94GH]

Andrej,

I want to show the rotation area of a door in its Edit Family environment, I have seen that some people achieve this by drawing a geometry and assigning a transparent material to it

Would it be better to define a subcategory for this geometry and assign the material in Object Styles, or should I assign the material through instance properties?