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NESTED FAMILY, SHARED

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Anonymous
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NESTED FAMILY, SHARED

hi I am having a hard time figuring out what to do with my generic model family..

basically its a support structure consisting of steel members...

 

it has nested OOTB steel structural framing in it.

it looks nice in my project... and since i need to run a schedule.. i need to change the nested family to "shared"

but when i change the OOTB steel framing to "shared" (tick box)

my framing become hell.

 

and btw.. it is repeatative component with varying overall length. 

so i have decided to use a family

 

any solutions? pls dont tell me to model it again in a project environment and not in the family editor..

i have completed the modellling part. i just need cut length

 

screencast: http://autode.sk/1EopZIY

using rvt 2015 UR9

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

anyone?

this is the place to ask autodesk, report case and bugs and all,, right?

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L.Maas
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

I do not see this behaviour (Revit 2016)

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I can imagine that you have been working on this model and be loading it into the project several times. It is possible that by this some of the shared components have remained in the project with different values. When loading your family into the project it takes over the old values breaking your family.

 

Check this by starting a new clean project and load the family into it and see how it behaves.

Check your existing project for shared components still loaded into the project and see if they have the proper values

 

 

Louis

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: L.Maas

1. pls note that the family I have attached, has steel family not yet SHARED.  can you pls edit the L-Angles and PFC or any framing family and tick the shared and load it to your RVT 2016?

 

2. i have been doing it for days. edit the family, tick the share in every framing family, and loads it into a NEW RVT 2015 project file. still the same behavior..

 

3. the value is instance parameter, right? and cant be modified in a nested / shared family in a project. it is supposed to report lenght and cut length designed/ modelled in the family editor. but No..

 

the thing is even if you model the SHARED framing perfectly in family environment. you would not know what will happen until you load that in the project file... 

it looks fine in the family editor, it behaves wildly in project environment, you cannot deliver output, you will miss a deadline and get criticized for your wasted effort? why is that happening?

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

so this is it, and this community is fully aware of it.

this is why my framing extend out to a 1219mm length when shared.

it follows the length from the OOTB framing family

so it does not matter if its an existing project or new project file.

 

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-structure/shared-nested-structural-family-length/td-p/5749179

 

should i stop seeking for answers and stop waiting for system fix?

 

any idea / add-ins to generate quantities/schedule in family editor?

any idea / add-ins to export family to ifc in family editor? so we can just use other software to take off quantity

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i still bellieve in revit

 

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L.Maas
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

Good find. I probably would check out the proposed workaround and see if I could get that to work.

In your family several of the components are generic family. Have you considered to make alle your items as generic families?

Louis

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: L.Maas

Hi Enlint

 

i appreciates your effort, thank you.

 

in my family, there is only 1 generic model. that is the vertical truss (consists of structural framing and structural connection). then i nested it into my host family and draw the horizontal cross bracing and connection required to finish this component called "cable tray support".

 

in my project, which i already finished modelling, there are 17 total families in which i modelled in the same manner.

this 17 families are placed over the whole stretch of a port..

i strongly believe that it should be modelled in this nested family manner or revit link.

either of the two, but too bad, i chose nested family over revit link.

 

i have just days to finish my modelling, now i need to run the schedule and get cut lengths

this is the moment something is ...... weird

 

maybe yes, just maybe, that changing and modifying the OOTB from structural framing to generic model will fix the issue

then what you are suggesting is that i must redo everything i have done.

because we all know if i do that, it will ask me to delete the modelled framing and redraw again.

 

since 2012, some experts knew the issue and they have figured it out how to create a workaround, but im not sure if autodesk is aware of that.

isnt the time and be better to just fix on how the structural column and framing behaves when shared?

do you still want us to live by the workarounds here and there?

personally, i hate telling others that "this is revit, it can only do this and cant give you that"

 

for now, I am thankful that i dont get to work with steel projects everyday.

 

the said workaround is too tedious specially i have almost wasted days waiting for solutions.

i have created a shared parameter and manually encode/copy the cut lengths before i tickthe "shared"

so that when i "shared" i can be able to run a schedule for my manually encoded cut lengths

i guess this is why revit is #1 in BIM, we build, we model, we manual encode information...

 

till revit 2017 or the next update release 10 for revit 2015, i think you can consider this topic closed and solved

 

thanks

 

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Rab_i
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

Is there a documentation from Autodesk that explains this behavior? 

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: Rab_i

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