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Nested facade door family - Doorknob when changing Phases stays in the old Phase

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poehm
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Nested facade door family - Doorknob when changing Phases stays in the old Phase

Hello there. As the title says I just encountered this weird issue. When I change the phase of my Facade everything goes into the other phase besides the door knobs of the nested families. Now Im wondering why and if anyone had this issue too. 

I tried to place a different object into the Door family for facades ( an object from the generic modell familly) and it too did not change the phase with the facade. 

Revit 2020

Im thankful for any information

 

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: poehm

@poehm 

 

It would easier for everyone if

  1. Upload the Door family
  2. Which phase was the Curtain wall created and which phase demolished
  3. What phase filter did you use for the view in image 1: Tür 2.jpg
  4. Did you change the phase of the Curtain wall after placing it
  5. Did you place the door on the wrong phase then changed its phase created to that of the curtain wall? inserting the door?

A quick workaround/fix is to do the following

  • Select the curtain wall hosting the door (including door)
  • Cut it to the clipboard (Modify> Clipboard>Cut)
  • From the properties panel ... Change phase of the view to the one in which the Curtain wall and Door are  created (EDIT: Phase 3.4)
  • Paste "Aligned to same place" (Modify>Clipboard>Paste options)
  • Change Phase demolished if needed (for Curtain wall and door in case they will be demolished)
  • Change phases and check if all are synced

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poehm
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

@RDAOU  

Thanks for the headsup first

1.Here is the door family

2. The wall was created in Phase 3.3 and it was moved to phase 3.4 it was not demolished. The Knob stays in the phase 3.3 after moving. The knob itself cant be moved when clicked on afterwards or selected via Tab

3. For the phase filter I already tried all possible things but it does not change anything. But what is shown in the A_Bestand_BA Phasefilter -  status - New and Existing is shown, Demolished and Temporary is turned off.

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: poehm

@poehm 

 

Did you try the cut and paste aligned in the right phase mentioned in Reply 1 (Edited)

 

Phasing of nested CW elements.gif

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poehm
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

@RDAOU Was wondering if there is anything else then just copy X and paste it in the new phase like why its causing it. The thing is if I do this workaround the element changes its ID its not the same one and might cause issues on schedules.

4. Yes The wall was placed and I changed the phase due to the project change that the wall might come in a later construction phase.

5. I placed the door within the wall on the phase 3.3 then changed click on the wall and changed that one to 3.4 and the knob stayed in 3.3 everythign else moved.

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: poehm

@poehm 

 

Well in the original post you did not mention anything about you knowing how to fix :leicht_lächelndes_Gesicht: you only stated that you encountered a problem and forgot the part that you know how to resolve it.

 

Why it happens? Out of sync of a double nested element 

 

Cheers 

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poehm
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

Edited a little bit too late. My colleague says this workaround will / might cause the issue that the element becomes a new ID when copy / pasted its not gonna be the same element and it might mess up schedules.

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: poehm

@poehm 

 

Yeah...so? Why does the Element ID bother your colleague :leicht_lächelndes_Gesicht:

 

Tell your colleague it doesn't mess up any schedules...the element which is cut will be removed from the schedules and the one pasted will be added. You will not end up with 2 elements.

 

You have two options

  1. Cut the whole wall and Paste back in the right phase
  2. Pin back the Panel >> Unpin >> place the door back in the right phase (Sorry colleague - this door is also new ID) 

 

If your Curtain wall has 1 door, you can go for option 2; however,  if your wall has  50 inserts...option 2 would be your so you have to go with 1

 

 

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